Tortured US troops - Retribution for Mahmudiya rape

[kirovman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5167524.stm

An Iraqi group linked to al-Qaeda has released a video appearing to show the mutilated bodies of two US soldiers.

The Mujahideen Shura Council said it had captured and killed the soldiers in revenge for the alleged rape and murder of a young Iraqi woman by US troops.

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The Mujahideen Shura Council, which represents insurgent groups in Iraq, said in a statement it had abducted the men and slit their throats.

In the newly-released film, the captors linked their actions directly to the rape and killing of the Iraqi girl and her family in the town of Mahmudiya.

The groups said capturing and killing the soldiers was "revenge for our sister who was dishonoured by a soldier of the same brigade".

Reprehensible acts, unforgiveable actions being commited by both sides.

This war really is dumb vs. dumber.

I can just see the American troops saying now "Gotta get some Eye-raqi scum and torture them in revenge!"

 

[XANA]

no kidding. two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Gray Fox]

The irony is that the insurgents kill more people then the US troops, not only that they target civilians on purpose.

 

[XANA]

we don't kill too many, if any at all, yeah?

 

[gh0st]

we don't kill too many, if any at all, yeah?

the us always has to be more wrong doesnt it. :upstare:

 

[Tr0n]

Yea, about 50,000 isn't all that much really.

 

[Ludah]

we don't kill too many, if any at all, yeah?

Did he say that? Please point me to the wording.

Insurgents do kill more than US marines. Of course, the US still has a lot of innocent blood on its hands. And the insurgency itself is a product of US occupation.

But that's something of a different matter. Insurgents and terrorists in Iraq are generally, pound for pound, more brutal and barbaric than the US military.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

But that's something of a different matter. Insurgents and terrorists in Iraq are generally, pound for pound, more brutal and barbaric than the US military.

If the administrators revoke my anti-Ogrish privledges ... I could back up this statement and make it unrebuttable.

 

[XANA]

just to let you guys know, i'm not that all updated on the war on terrorism (or the "war in iraq", whatever you chose). but god o' mighty, 50,000!?! this is almost like "battle for stalingrad". lots of civilians getting killed. but are the ones caused by us an accident or on purpose? oh, and for the record, i'm just an individual, so don't make me out to be america's representitive. one more question, is this REALLY a war on TERRORISM?

 

[Ludah]

If the administrators revoke my anti-Ogrish privledges ... I could back up this statement and make it unrebuttable.

I think anybody debating the merits of this war have seen the videos of brutality coming out of that place. And if they haven't, they should.

But with that said, I don't think they hold much argumentative merit. The insurgency likes broadcasting its acts. It's a publicity show. Likeliness of that happening with the US military? Aside from the memorable shot of Ms. England smiling and pointing at a prisoner's groin, largely zilch. You will not see a marine gleefully torturing an inmate or, in keeping with the times, raping an Iraqi girl simply because any such acts are going to be kept hush-hush for the most part.

What is indisuputable is that the insurgency does target civilians regularly and with deadly results. We may have our share of slip-ups and absolutely rotten eggs, but sinking to such levels of depravity is not common.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

But with that said, I don't think they hold much argumentative merit. The insurgency likes broadcasting its acts. It's a publicity show. Likeliness of that happening with the US military? Aside from the memorable shot of Ms. England smiling and pointing at a prisoner's groin, largely zilch. You will not see a marine gleefully torturing an inmate or, in keeping with the times, raping an Iraqi girl simply because any such acts are going to be kept hush-hush for the most part.

Quoted for Emphasis. They're is great shame in atrocities.

 

[15357]

I'm not believing them, really. I think they just torture people for fun.

 

[Ome_Vince]

*kuch time to pull out. Seriously, this mess is only going to get worse since everybody deals with the "an eye for an eye" principle.

 

[hari66]

It has reached a stage where even pulling out will not help.

 

[gick]

It has reached a stage where even pulling out will not help.

QFTMFT

If we pull out now, within a few years Iraq will be an Islamic state like Iran, either through revolution or more likely (given the voting records and election results so far) by being voted in.

If we stay, terrorism and insurgency will increase along with the body count.

;(

 

[99.vikram]

Iraq has been i-wrecked. The war on terror fails. :frown:

the us always has to be more wrong doesnt it.

When it's wrong, it's wrong. And it's wrong too often.

 

[CptStern]

the US is responsible for every single death in iraq whether it's from coalition bombing, terrorist attack or because of the break down in law and order. They manipulated and lied their way into iraq they should bear the brunt of the responsibility ..they've created a terrorist breeding ground, increased global terrorism and heightened tensions in an already volitile area all for the imperialistic ideology of a handful of greedy old men

 

[VictimOfScience]

the US is responsible for every single death in iraq whether it's from coalition bombing, terrorist attack or because of the break down in law and order. They manipulated and lied their way into iraq they should bear the brunt of the responsibility ..they've created a terrorist breeding ground, increased global terrorism and heightened tensions in an already volitile area all for the imperialistic ideology of a handful of greedy old men

I blame Jimmy Carter.

 

[CptStern]

lol ..I've actually grown to respect him since 9/11 ...I remember his short reign at the oval office and it wasnt all smiles and sunshine

 

[VictimOfScience]

lol ..I've actually grown to respect him since 9/11 ...I remember his short reign at the oval office and it wasnt all smiles and sunshine

Hahaha! Yeah, things are thankfully different now with him, but back in the day he was not exactly ideal, shall we say...:rolling:

 

[Ludah]

the US is responsible for every single death in iraq whether it's from coalition bombing, terrorist attack or because of the break down in law and order. They manipulated and lied their way into iraq they should bear the brunt of the responsibility ..they've created a terrorist breeding ground, increased global terrorism and heightened tensions in an already volitile area all for the imperialistic ideology of a handful of greedy old men

The US maybe responsible for contributing to Iraq's current state, but let's keep some perspective. Executions, torture, and the murdering of civilians by insurgent hands is of insurgent doings. They are responsible for their atrocities as well, and such actions are neither justified nor do they improve the situation.

 

[CptStern]

they'd still be alvie and there would be no insurgency/terrorism in iraq had the US not invaded

 

[Ludah]

Joe kills next door neighbor Carl's wife.
Carl then blows up Joe's house and kills the entire family.
The family would still be alive if Joe hadn't set a chain of events in motion, but Carl still committed a horrible crime that he bears responsibility for.

There wouldn't be an insurgency if the US hadn't invaded, but they are still responsible for their actions.

 

[CptStern]

I'm not saying they arent ..but by that same logic so too is the US

your analogy isnt accurate btw ..it would be more accurate to say

Joe brutually takes over Carl's neighbourhood, killing many of the neighbourhood's inhabitants on the pretext that Carl's neighbourhood poses a threat to Joes neighbourhood (lies) ...Joe in order to take abolute control razes Carl's neighbourhood to the ground killing Carl's wife a shitload of the neighbourhood's inhabitants. Joe appoints former exiles to run the neighbourhood much to the shame of current residents Carl and friends ..but few protest because they stand to benefit from Joe ruling their neighbourhood ...Carl angered at losing his wife and angered that his neighbours decided to ally themselves with joe takes it upon himself to kill his neighbours while attacking joe; Joe retaliates by killing scores of neighbours yet only a handful of carl's allies. So Joe ramps up his stranglehold in the neighbourhood, killing suspected neighbours and imposing a brutal military prescence that rounds up suspects to be tortured/murdered in a half assed attempt at weeding out Carl ...More neighbours start to see the death and destruction joe is causing and start thinking more like Carl

 

[myth]

omg

 

[Ludah]

I'm not saying they arent ..but by that same logic so too is the US

I never said they weren't responsible. They certainly are.

your analogy isnt accurate btw ..it would be more accurate to say

I think mine was more succinct.

 

[CptStern]

I think mine was more succinct.

true ...I've never been accused of brevity :E