[UPDATE] Gabe Newell on digital distribution, Linux, Windows 8, wearable computing

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UPDATE: Venture Beat have posted the full interview on their website including the actual questions Gabe was asked a few things not quoted below. Highlight's include Valve making a tongue-based controller and how the Valve employee handbook was written. Read it here.

Original story: Managing director of Valve Gabe Newell made an appearance at this year's Casual Connect conference in Seattle, All Things D are reporting. The conference focuses on casual, mobile and social video games and Mr. Newell had some thoughts to share on various elements in the video game and general computing industry, including Adobe Photoshop and Windows 8.



Gabe had the following things to say.

On digital distribution:
Everything we are doing is not going to matter in the future. We think about knitting together a platform for productivity, which sounds kind of weird, but what we are interested in is bringing together a platform where people’s actions create value for other people when they play. That’s the reason we hired an economist

We think the future is very different [from] successes we’ve had in the past. When you are playing a game, you are trying to think about creating value for other players, so the line between content player and creator is really fuzzy. We have a kid in Kansas making $150,000 a year making [virtual] hats. But that’s just a starting point.

That causes us to have conversations with Adobe, and we say the next version of Photoshop should look like a free-to-play game, and they say, "We have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but it sounds really bad." And, then we say, "No, no, no. We think you are going to increase the value being created to your users, and you will create a market for their goods on a worldwide basis." But that takes a longer sell.

This isn’t about videogames; it’s about thinking about goods and services in a digital world.


On closed platforms:
In order for innovation to happen, a bunch of things that aren’t happening on closed platforms need to occur. Valve wouldn’t exist today without the PC, or Epic, or Zynga, or Google. They all wouldn’t have existed without the openness of the platform. There’s a strong tempation to close the platform, because they look at what they can accomplish when they limit the competitors’ access to the platform, and they say "That’s really exciting."

We are looking at the platform and saying, "We’ve been a free rider, and we’ve been able to benefit from everything that went into PCs and the Internet, and we have to continue to figure out how there will be open platforms."

On Linux:
The big problem that is holding back Linux is games. People don’t realize how critical games are in driving consumer purchasing behavior.

We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well. It’s a hedging strategy. I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we’ll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that’s true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality.


On touch devices and what's next:
We think touch is short-term. The mouse and keyboard were stable for 25 years, but I think touch will be stable for 10 years. Post-touch will be stable for a really long time, longer than 25 years.

Post touch, depending on how sci-fi you want to get, is a couple of different technologies combined together. The two problems are input and output. I haven’t had to do any presentations on this because I’m not a public company, so I don’t have any pretty slides.

There’s some crazy speculative stuff. This is super nerdy, and you can tease us years from now, but as it turns out, your tongue is one of the best mechanical systems to your brain, but it’s disconcerting to have the person sitting next you go blah, blah, blah, blah.

I don’t think tongue input will happen, but I do think we will have bands on our wrists, and you’ll be doing something with your hands, which are really expressive.


On Valve's efforts in wearable computing:
I can go into the room and put on the $70,000 system we’ve built, and I look around the room with the software they’ve written, and they can overlay information on objects regardless of what my head or eyes are doing. Your eyes are troublesome buggers.



Source: All Things D
 

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The Metro part in W8 is a disaster, but the desktop part is fantastic (although ugly and inconsistent). Technically it's better than Win7 in every way. You can uninstall every single metro app and use only desktop, if you want (that's what I did).
 
You can uninstall every single metro app and use only desktop, if you want (that's what I did).

The very fact that you have to heavily mod or edit Windows 8 to make it good is the problem.
 
On the start screen, you right click every metro app (about 10 apps or so by default), and click the uninstall button in the lower left corner. Done. This is not heavy modding or editing. It's like deleting shortcuts from the desktop. 5 seconds of work. Literally.
 
Gabe is a blowhard that sees the major threat that Windows 8 is to his digital distribution model. Why install a third party (steam) when Xbox Live Games are available as soon as you get the OS? I'm currently using Windows 8 and it's awesome, I can't go back to 7 anymore.
Tech bloggers are too lazy/set in their ways to learn how Windows 8 works so they gripe and moan about how it doesn't. Honestly, it works great, and it's going to be even better after RTM. Microsoft has a winner here, no matter what the idiots in the tech journalism have to say.
 
Gabe is a blowhard that sees the major threat that Windows 8 is to his digital distribution model.

Gabe doesn't even register Games for Windows Live/Xbox Live Games as a threat to Steam in any shape or form. They'll probably work together like GFWL and Steam do.

Honestly, it works great, and it's going to be even better after RTM. Microsoft has a winner here, no matter what the idiots in the tech journalism have to say.

Windows 8 works great...on a tablet or touch screen PC - what it was designed for. A significant amount of the commands on the desktop are gesture based, ie swiping into the side of the screen, which is incredibly impractical with a mouse.

This is not heavy modding or editing.

By heavy modding I meant the variety of ways people have developed to force the start button back, which all involve modding or slight adjustments to file coding. The lack of a start button/start menu is the main reason I'm not getting 8 and plan to skip it all together. Why replace a perfectly functional and helpful small menu with a giant full screen mess of random colourful boxes? Which, again, is heavily gesture based, ie, designed to be navigated using a finger or stylus.

Not to mention it blocks all your programs running in the background, good for blocking porn when someone walks in, impractical in every other sense.
 
I didn't mind the metro UI. Personally, I think its going to be great for most users (not people like us). At work I have to help people do the most mundane tasks because its too confusing for them to figure out on their own because its not intuitive. Like, most users dont even know how to find their programs if they accidentally delete the shortcut on the desktop or start menu. I think metro will make it easier for these sorts of people to use windows, since its not as easy to **** their own shit up.
 
Windows 8 works great...on a tablet or touch screen PC - what it was designed for.

Touch is getting cheaper and will be everywhere soon. I recently got a 24" Planar touchscreen after years of using a big ol' crt. Lots of touch laptops and convertibles coming out with 8, and the leap shortly after.
 
Did you get yelled at for your original heading Riom?
 
I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we’ll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market.

Come on Gabe, quit talking shit. Don't you remember the PS3 incident? You had to apologize.
 
Did you get yelled at for your original heading Riom?
It changed?


Touch is getting cheaper and will be everywhere soon. I recently got a 24" Planar touchscreen after years of using a big ol' crt. Lots of touch laptops and convertibles coming out with 8, and the leap shortly after.
I understand the usefulness and attraction of touch-screen devices, but anyone who's going to need to type anything or do spreadsheets (anyone who works in an office) is going to need a keyboard. I can see tablets taking over outside of the workspace for people who aren't nerdy, but there is still going to be a need for a desktop operating system. Windows 8 is brilliant in

A) unifying an OS base across desktops, laptops, tablets, phones and probably the next Xbox
B) it'll be ideal for products that are both touch and keyboard/mouse like ASUS's transforming netbooks.


But most people who have used it seem to say that they've hamstrung the old-fashioned Windows UI in order to get people to use the Metro one. I would not be against Windows 8 at all if they hadn't seemed to have picked a favourite here and had offered a fully-functional mouse-centric UI.
 
Windows 8 works great...on a tablet or touch screen PC - what it was designed for. A significant amount of the commands on the desktop are gesture based, ie swiping into the side of the screen, which is incredibly impractical with a mouse.
These gestures have alternatives on mouse, you're not swiping with the mouse, you move to a corner. Easy peasy, the corners are the easiest places to get to with a mouse. You don't swipe up from the bottom, you right click.

Basically everything on Windows 8 is just as easy with a mouse/keyboard as it would be with touch, but most people haven't used it and assume since the tiles are a large target, then it's touch only. This is false. I wish people would realize that when you make the target larger, they become easier to click as well.
 
Ok. I figured I might as well inform myself a bit more on this. I went and watched a few videos of people using Windows 8. A lot of seems pretty good. I like the storage spaces thing. I really like the new task manager. I like pretty much everything that isn't fullscreen, but there's the problem. Microsoft are making the start screen, some of the settings screens, the all programmes/apps screen, etc fullscreen. I hate that. The only thing I want fullscreen are games and videos. That said I can't be sure how much I'll like or dislike using it until I get my hands on it but if there were options/alternative to have the fullscreen and metro stuff show up as windows I would think I'd be very happy to change to Windows 8. As it stands though I'm still on the fence and most of the nerdy-inclined seem to find that using Windows 8 really gets under their skin.
 
Basically everything on Windows 8 is just as easy with a mouse/keyboard as it would be with touch, but most people haven't used it and assume since the tiles are a large target, then it's touch only.

I used Windows 8 for a good few hours on the day the public beta was released a few months ago. Not just the tiles have the feeling they are designed specifically for touch, the title bar at the top is significantly bigger than it should be, including the Minimize, Maximize and Close buttons, which are huge compared to their older Vista and 7 versions. The only reason to make them bigger and further apart is to cut down on the chances of people pressing the wrong button by mistake and accidentally closing their work.

I agree with riomhaire that a lot of Windows 8 looks great, the task manager is brilliant, etc. But since the core mechanics of the OS are broken for keyboard and mouse users, then there may as well not be any nice new updates to everything else since reaching the new features is a chore.
 
I will literally shit bee's with pleasure when someone creates a game that uses the real world as a level, and then when you put on the glasses you can see the effects. Spells, Swords, Guns, Monsters, EVERYWHERE. In a matter of months gamers become the most fit demographic on the planet.

You want territory based MMO FPS, eh? Take your clan of commando wizards and go conquer Italy why don't you.

You want survival horror with a leaderboard showing zombies bagged? Go to NYC and see how long you can last against the horde.

I want to go questing IRL.
 
I used Windows 8 for a good few hours on the day the public beta was released a few months ago. Not just the tiles have the feeling they are designed specifically for touch, the title bar at the top is significantly bigger than it should be, including the Minimize, Maximize and Close buttons, which are huge compared to their older Vista and 7 versions. The only reason to make them bigger and further apart is to cut down on the chances of people pressing the wrong button by mistake and accidentally closing their work.

I agree with riomhaire that a lot of Windows 8 looks great, the task manager is brilliant, etc. But since the core mechanics of the OS are broken for keyboard and mouse users, then there may as well not be any nice new updates to everything else since reaching the new features is a chore.
I don't understand how you can say it doesn't work for keyboard/mouse users when I'm a keyboard/mouse user. I have Windows 8 installed on two desktops and one laptop, and it works wonderfully with all of them. No touch screens, 90% of the time I'm in "metro". So how is it broken for keyboard/mouse users? Does anything not work? Does anything work worse? From my experience (using it every day for 8-10 hours a day since the release preview was released, as part of my job as a computer technician), it blows Windows 7 out of the water for keyboard mouse usability.

They haven't changed the buttons on the desktop, so I don't know what you're talking about. The desktop is identical, even desktop apps like Office 2013 haven't been changed unless you enable a special touch mode. Now if you have a touch screen, everything spreads out so it's easier to touch. But that's only on touch screens. So I don't know what's changed/broken?
 
Tried the preview. Hated moving my mouse to the borders/corners in the metro UI. Meh.

See no reason to upgrade to 8. Perfectly happy with my 7 install.
 
I'm going to sidestep all the Windows 8 talk and say what I found far more interesting was Gabe's thoughts on digital goods and services outside of video games.
 
I'm going to sidestep all the Windows 8 talk and say what I found far more interesting was Gabe's thoughts on digital goods and services outside of video games.
How does Photoshop as a free to play game work? Sell the heal stamp tool for $10?
 
On the other hand, how many people pirate photoshop compared to paying for $400 or whatever it is? Perhaps Gabe's angle is something to do with offering a better service (including adjusting the monetisation model) in order to reduce that issue. Steam has certainly achieved that by offering more value for the things you buy.
 
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