Well its August 5th...two things should happen.

Pitbul said:
ah once again, VALVe lets down there so called "prized" community...Nice. Doom 3 fans actually get there game (and its amazingly fun) and HL2 fans get more delays and freakin screenshots. THATS TOTALLY AWESOME LOLOLOLoloolololzzz!!!11. I:D MUCH RATHER HAVE 3 SCREENSHOTS THEN 20 HOURS OF SUBSTATION GAME PLAY!

EAT A **** V4LV3
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL first of all doom 3 isnt all that great. there are so many things unexplaind why is everyone turning into zombies exept me? and why do i only have a flash light no state of the art night vision from a rich ass company? you only get a flash light in the year 2030 and you cant eaven carry it at the same time as you're gun, so when you see a monster you turn your flash light off and then you cant see the monster anymore!!! sure it was scarry for the first half hour then after awhile monsters became predictable where they would spawn at.
 
sHm0zY said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL first of all doom 3 isnt all that great. there are so many things unexplaind why is everyone turning into zombies exept me? and why do i only have a flash light no state of the art night vision from a rich ass company? you only get a flash light in the year 2030 and you cant eaven carry it at the same time as you're gun, so when you see a monster you turn your flash light off and then you cant see the monster anymore!!! sure it was scarry for the first half hour then after awhile monsters became predictable where they would spawn at.
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Somebody watched/read the Gamespot review
 
Indeed. It's all true though.

Seriously, the effort and detail on every bit of artwork and the engine and everything is exquisite (Yes, I'm starting to defend Doom 3 because I feel bad for iD).

Just somehow it doesn't... meld together to make the type of incredible gameplay some people imagined. I tried to warn the people who were waiting for Doom 3, but nobody listened.

That said I think it is the scariest game I've ever seen. Maybe too scary for me :P

Well no doubt they will make a shed load of money, and they fully deserve it judging by the effort they have put in. :)
 
doom 3 is everything i expected. i dont recall ID claiming stuff which isnt in the game. ppl bashing doom 3 should shut up for a bit, thanks :)
 
Crusader said:
Indeed. It's all true though.

Seriously, the effort and detail on every bit of artwork and the engine and everything is exquisite (Yes, I'm starting to defend Doom 3 because I feel bad for iD).

Just somehow it doesn't... meld together to make the type of incredible gameplay some people imagined. I tried to warn the people who were waiting for Doom 3, but nobody listened.

That said I think it is the scariest game I've ever seen. Maybe too scary for me :P

Well no doubt they will make a shed load of money, and they fully deserve it judging by the effort they have put in. :)
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Yeah doom 3 coulda been a whole lot better if they took their time and didnt worry about people complaining about postponed dates to make it better quality. *looks at pitbul*
 
I think iD tried to make it too much like the original doom. Its kinda hard to give a game an intriguing story with PDA's, email's voice logs and such and then leave it lacking in the gameplay department for the sake of nostalgia
 
Has this turned in to a doom 3 post now???. ok, i have a thoery, might not be a very good one but it's still a thoery. (it only works if they haven't postponed) ok, its roughly 12 noon (uk) and valve is on the west coast of america which would put it 8 hours behind so its 4am there and iam just thinking wouldn't they want to be there to watch the stats and stuff and realistically they wouldn't start work till 8am at the earliest so that would make it 4pm over here in england before the preload started anyway. it's all just a thoery though, and most likely a really crap one at that.just thought i would share it with you all.
 
Doom 3 is a tech demo for the engine, it's really as simple as that.

Half Life 2 may as well be vapourware and frankly Valve treat us like morons.

I'm tired of screenshots, blink videos, interviews which are basically full of fabrication, and release dates which aren't.

If the community were really as important to Valve as they make out, don't you think that they would at least give us a reason for the delay up front rather than waiting for us to ask them?

*shrugs*

Over this. Valve are expecting all of us to shell out hard-earned but have basically lied to us from the word go. Let's not forget the purpose-built E3 demo which showed a game that didn't exist. Let's not forget the string of mis-information we're fed over and over and over again.

I want to trust Valve, I want to have warm fuzzies thinking about HL2 but I just don't any more.
 
The only reason anyone is mad is because everyone here loves Half-Life.

Stalker has been delayed, but did anyone here care? I bet none of you even noticed. It's said "you hurt the one you love" and that's what's happening here. The only reason this is an issue is that you really want the game.

Every game gets delayed and there is rarely, if ever, a reason given. Valve aren't treating you like morons. You're treating them as though they should give you exceptional treatment.

Is it bad enough that you won't buy the game? No, of course not.
Unless valve's delays are costing them your sale, they really don't have any reason to care. Harsh but true.

All those "useless" videos, interviews and screenshots are bonuses above and beyond the call of duty. Greg and Gabe posting here, the info from Valve thread, the access to secret parts of their site and even the fact that they have a website.
Valve doesn't need to give us any of those things.

Be happy with what you have.

Things would be 100% the same even if the dates were not announced. At least they're trying to keep us informed.
 
Yes, pretty much every game gets delayed however most developers won't keep bullshitting about the release date again and again and again.
 
Fixed said:
Yes, pretty much every game gets delayed however most developers won't keep bullshitting about the release date again and again and again.
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What bullshitting have valve done?? They only ever gave one firm release date. September 30th 2003. After they realised that is unachievable they have not given a firm release date just estimates and predictions.
 
For what its worth I think Doom 3 is a pretty kick ass game. Is the gameplay as great as Half-Life 2's will be? Not a chance in cough *hell* cough! However I feel they are two very very different games, I don't have a problem with either game... Having great games to play is much better than the mediocre crap being released lately. Will I be playing Doom 3 five years from now... probably not, that’s why its soo important to get the release of Half-Life 2 right. Just think, alot of people are still playing Counter-Strike 5 years later, and others are still replaying the original Half-Life game. Even if you aren't doing one or both of those two things I'm sure you can think of moments in Half-Life that you smile about even today... so long after the release of the game. My point is simple, save your breath bashing Doom 3/Half-Life 2 as gamers we are lucky to have such games to play, without id/Valve none of it would be possible. That said, Bring on Half-Life 2!
 
GPRT said:
What bullshitting have valve done?? They only ever gave one firm release date. September 30th 2003. After they realised that is unachievable they have not given a firm release date just estimates and predictions.
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Firm release? How firm do they have to get? I think what most of us want is complete silence from valve until the game is finished! period! instead of lies! how many times will they say something only to delay it?

Let me put it this way! last year I bought the video card with half-life 2. If Valve is making a commitment to do a deal with ATI and plans to release the game in fall of 2003 and nothing happens well ok something could have gone wrong but not the same thing over and over. First, "we are targeting holiday release" then it was spring, summer, now the Cs source is delayed. WTF? something is wrong here, I supported valve by buying product from ATI (valve makes money from it). Which means they already have my money and I need to see some results, or do I? for the love of god at least don't lie and twist me like twinky!
 
ValveBULGE said:
for the love of god at least don't lie and twist me like twinky!
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I've no idea what you're actually talking about but that was beautiful.
 
ValveBULGE said:
Firm release? How firm do they have to get? I think what most of us want is complete silence from valve until the game is finished! period! instead of lies! how many times will they say something only to delay it?

Let me put it this way! last year I bought the video card with half-life 2. If Valve is making a commitment to do a deal with ATI and plans to release the game in fall of 2003 and nothing happens well ok something could have gone wrong but not the same thing over and over. First, "we are targeting holiday release" then it was spring, summer, now the Cs source is delayed. WTF? something is wrong here, I supported valve by buying product from ATI (valve makes money from it). Which means they already have my money and I need to see some results, or do I? for the love of god at least don't lie and twist me like twinky!
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I don't think most of us want COMPLETE silence from Valve... I'm sure if you did a poll you'd see most of us probably want a decent report... sort of like what Bungie does with Halo 2 (Have someone post what went on that week, funny stuff around the office, what people are working on, how progress is going, ect.) I'm not saying they should hang out in the forums all day answering questions and what not but I don't think hearing NOTHING from them at all is going to help anyone.

When someone from Valve says "We are targeting a mid to late summer release” That does not mean, "Half-Life will be going gold by July 25th 2004 and have it in stores by August 5th 2004." Its as simple as that, the only date I have a problem with is the September 30th 2003 date but guess what? That was almost a year ago, they've admitted it was a mistake because they were setting a goal they couldn't reach, get over it, life does go on. I would wait until they make a Press Release that states a final date for the game.

You aren't the only person that upgraded their computer to be ready for Half-Life 2, but there ARE other games so upgrading wasn't a total loss for anyone. I bought a Radeon 9800XT the day it came out at Best Buy for $500 dollars. I'm a 20-year-old guy that goes to school and works full time for $10 an hour... I didn't have to sell my car and murder some people to recoup my "losses" from Valve not releasing the game on Sept. 30th. Valve made money from ATi, not from you, ATi makes money from you... I'm sure they had to pay a decent amount to secure Valve's support and be able to give away Half-Life 2 with its product. If anyone got screwed out of that deal it was ATi because they would have sold a boatload more cards if Half-Life 2 actually came out around Sept. 30th.

Feel free to post back your response, I'm bored as hell at work and would love to have some polite debate to keep me busy.
 
muka3d said:
I wish homework/school/work was like that... Don't need to keep deadlines... Imagine telling your teacher/boss that you're project will be "Done when it's done." Oh boy.
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LOL Thats why we have to go to school... to keep future gaming companies from missing deadlines :)
 
I didn't have to sell my car and murder some people to recoup my "losses" from Valve not releasing the game on Sept. 30th
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Speak for yourself! I had to bang 60 year old booty to get mine! LOL
 
Delays are bad enough but what's really bad is the fact that VALVE does not communicate very well with it's audience. I can understand that there will be delayes, yes it happens but, come forward and tell us like it is, give us some decent explanation and what's next. Right now we have no clue what is what will be and when it will be... Is it really that hard to do that? to communicate with the people that pay your bills?
 
ValveBULGE said:
Delays are bad enough but what's really bad is the fact that VALVE does not communicate very well with it's audience. I can understand that there will be delayes, yes it happens but, come forward and tell us like it is, give us some decent explanation and what's next. Right now we have no clue what is what will be and when it will be... Is it really that hard to do that? to communicate with the people that pay your bills?
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quoted for emphasis.
 
ValveBULGE said:
Delays are bad enough but what's really bad is the fact that VALVE does not communicate very well with it's audience. I can understand that there will be delayes, yes it happens but, come forward and tell us like it is, give us some decent explanation and what's next. Right now we have no clue what is what will be and when it will be... Is it really that hard to do that? to communicate with the people that pay your bills?
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What are you on about - valve communicates with us more than any developer should - on a normal basis. Isn't it enough?

When id goes into hibernation mode - they don't even reveal anything to the community, but only once things are done, did they come out. Valve are good enough to keep a check on us once in a while - ands there is ALMOST EVERY WEEK some new news/media from them: either about cs:s or HL2. This is their way of communicating with the community - giving shreds of info in some way or the other.
 
lans said:
What are you on about - valve communicates with us more than any developer should - on a normal basis. Isn't it enough?

When id goes into hibernation mode - they don't even reveal anything to the community, but only once things are done, did they come out. Valve are good enough to keep a check on us once in a while - ands there is ALMOST EVERY WEEK some new news/media from them: either about cs:s or HL2. This is their way of communicating with the community - giving shreds of info in some way or the other.
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I completely agree. People are just complaining because they get this weird idea that what Valve has done (delay) has never been done before and that as a result Valve is automatically some sort of sick twisted company that doesn't deserve any customers.

Grow up people, they do talk to us, they made a mistake in the past (OH NOES LETS LIKE HATE THEM NOW!!11!), they aren't the scourge of the game development business. Get over it.
 
BTW, We know CS: S is delayed (at least the preload), but has there been any word on the HL2 RC?
 
jabberwock95 said:
BTW, We know CS: S is delayed (at least the preload), but has there been any word on the HL2 RC?
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I don't think its normal for game developers to announce the status of their RC's so I don't think we will be hearing anything more. There could be alot of RC's so its not a good idea for a game development company to reveal the status of them to the public lest they end up with people hating them because they said that they had a release candidate but they have to re-work some things.
 
ValveBULGE said:
Delays are bad enough but what's really bad is the fact that VALVE does not communicate very well with it's audience. I can understand that there will be delayes, yes it happens but, come forward and tell us like it is, give us some decent explanation and what's next. Right now we have no clue what is what will be and when it will be... Is it really that hard to do that? to communicate with the people that pay your bills?
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teh quoted for teh emphasis.
 
lans said:
What are you on about - valve communicates with us more than any developer should - on a normal basis. Isn't it enough?

When id goes into hibernation mode - they don't even reveal anything to the community, but only once things are done, did they come out. Valve are good enough to keep a check on us once in a while - ands there is ALMOST EVERY WEEK some new news/media from them: either about cs:s or HL2. This is their way of communicating with the community - giving shreds of info in some way or the other.
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Just remember that to keep us even more in the dark they never confirm any news/media or what they say, am I right?

What we get is some emails that people send to them and in turn we get to read what somebody wrote, is it VALVE people? who in the hell knows!?

Tell me one thing that is 100% true from Valve?

PS I am not pissed or whatever else at Valve I am just saying that it is not right to leave us in the dark all the time and hide behind "we have not confirmed this" statments
 
What? So you want every e-mail that you don't believe in to be accompanied by a confirmation e-mail that you won't believe in so that you can tell which unbelieveable e-mails you'll believe less?

If you believe that 100% of Valve's marketing is lies, why would you believe average people on the internet?

Plus, Valve isn't leaving anyone in the dark. They're being quite clear about when they are trying to get things done and, except for that one time on Sept 30th, they are clear about when they are delaying something that they overestimated.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
What? So you want every e-mail that you don't believe in to be accompanied by a confirmation e-mail that you won't believe in so that you can tell which unbelieveable e-mails you'll believe less?

If you believe that 100% of Valve's marketing is lies, why would you believe average people on the internet?

Plus, Valve isn't leaving anyone in the dark. They're being quite clear about when they are trying to get things done and, except for that one time on Sept 30th, they are clear about when they are delaying something that they overestimated.
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Dude, we are not speaking about marketing here. Yea really good estimate sept 30, 2003? yea right! yes they are really clear just like your response. ;)

Again! People no one here is saying including me that Valve is really bad, however it is my believe that Valve has been lets say lately over estimating things. If you believe that they are very clear about things why dont you tell us, I am sure we all would like to know when CS:S and Half-Life 2 is comming out.
 
The Mullinator said:
I completely agree. People are just complaining because they get this weird idea that what Valve has done (delay) has never been done before and that as a result Valve is automatically some sort of sick twisted company that doesn't deserve any customers.

Grow up people, they do talk to us, they made a mistake in the past (OH NOES LETS LIKE HATE THEM NOW!!11!), they aren't the scourge of the game development business. Get over it.
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OK so CS:S was delayed, but is HL2 delayed or did taht go gold today (by gold i mean that there are no more bugs and they shipped it to vivendi universal games) i hope it did.
 
Mr-Fusion said:
I'm just annoyed they don't say why it was delayed. They've told us virtually every single thing that's in HL2 through emails yet a delay reason has to be kept quiet.

It won't hurt anyone to give a reason.
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Because it wasnt finished.
 
well HL2 has been delayed till fall (according to the latest issue of CustomPC) now so i think that their spending more time on that than the CS:S release
 
was anyone else read that article in Custom PC in the Uk? they say HL2 is delayed till Fall and that the minimum specs. have been confirmed at 1.2Ghz, 256Mb, and d6 g.card
 
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