2 more afghans die in US custody

[CptStern]

"KABUL, Afghanistan - Human Rights Watch said Monday it had uncovered two more cases of prisoners dying in American custody in Afghanistan

In an open letter to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, the New York-based rights group said it had new evidence of "an alleged murder of a detainee by four U.S. military personnel" in Afghanistan in 2002. More recently, it said a man picked up on Sept. 24, 2004, died the next day at an American base, but it did not specify the cause of death.

The Army announced in October that up to 28 U.S. soldiers face possible criminal charges including involuntary manslaughter and maiming in connection with the deaths, both of which were ruled homicides."

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[KidRock]

"KABUL, Afghanistan - Human Rights Watch said Monday it had uncovered two more cases of prisoners dying in American custody in Afghanistan

In an open letter to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, the New York-based rights group said it had new evidence of "an alleged murder of a detainee by four U.S. military personnel" in Afghanistan in 2002. More recently, it said a man picked up on Sept. 24, 2004, died the next day at an American base, but it did not specify the cause of death.

The Army announced in October that up to 28 U.S. soldiers face possible criminal charges including involuntary manslaughter and maiming in connection with the deaths, both of which were ruled homicides."

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good.

10char

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

good.

10char

You're so gona get banned...



Oh and I will read the article in a few mins mate.

 

[KidRock]

You're so gona get banned...



Oh and I will read the article in a few mins mate.

why am i gonna get banned? Becuase I am glad a potential terrorist is dead?

 

[The Dark Elf]

why am i gonna get banned? Becuase I am glad a potential terrorist is dead?

everyone in the world is a potential terrorist

In other news, how did I know your name would crop up when I read the reported post... *sighs*

 

[KidRock]

everyone in the world is a potential terrorist

In other news, how did I know your name would crop up when I read the reported post... *sighs*

Im glad to see you again to dark elf :cheers:

 

[Kangy]

good.

10char

Nothing personal, but sometimes I feel like you deserve everything you get.

Edit: Okay, that's wrong, I don't but comments like yours are so stupid and arrogant it's unreal.

 

[KidRock]

Nothing personal, but sometimes I feel like you deserve everything you get.

Edit: Okay, that's wrong, I don't but comments like yours are so stupid and arrogant it's unreal.

Well I have had some pretty good luck in life.. so I thank you sir.

 

[Kangy]

Well I have had some pretty good luck in life.. so I thank you sir.

Perhaps I meant your nation :-/

Anyway, how come they're "potential terrorists". Being in custordy can mean anything to everything.

 

[Raziaar]

"KABUL, Afghanistan - Human Rights Watch said Monday it had uncovered two more cases of prisoners dying in American custody in Afghanistan

In an open letter to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, the New York-based rights group said it had new evidence of "an alleged murder of a detainee by four U.S. military personnel" in Afghanistan in 2002. More recently, it said a man picked up on Sept. 24, 2004, died the next day at an American base, but it did not specify the cause of death.

The Army announced in October that up to 28 U.S. soldiers face possible criminal charges including involuntary manslaughter and maiming in connection with the deaths, both of which were ruled homicides."

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Can't you post an article for once Stern, without spewing forth anti american sarcastic sentiments in the first post? The army is going to try cases against them for homicide, what more do you want? For them to be able to forsee the future on what every ****ing mroon would do to people and stop it before it happens? That's kind of tough.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Perhaps I meant your nation :-/

Totally not fair --

Can't you post an article for once Stern, without spewing forth anti american sarcastic sentiments in the first post? The army is going to try cases against them for homicide, what more do you want? For them to be able to forsee the future on what every ****ing mroon would do to people and stop it before it happens? That's kind of tough.

Simple answer, no.

His answer: Well maybe if America was'nt "x_variable" & "y_variable", being controlled by "z_variable" commiting "a_variable" ...

 

[^Ben]

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Someone got a tase of his own advice

 

[K e r b e r o s]

His answer: Well maybe if America was'nt "x_variable" & "y_variable", being controlled by "z_variable" commiting "a_variable" ...

Not that I dont like you Stern, I appreciate everything you bring to the table. Infact, some of what you brought, I brought to people I knew when the topic was brought up.

However, I just would like to see an ounce of relent -- while we are the antagonist in this story, were not all diabolical schemes and evil you know.

 

[OCybrManO]

Can't you post an article for once Stern, without spewing forth anti american sarcastic sentiments in the first post? The army is going to try cases against them for homicide, what more do you want? For them to be able to forsee the future on what every ****ing mroon would do to people and stop it before it happens? That's kind of tough.

Have you read the article he was quoting in the original post (not the one that is now linked to at the bottom, since they updated the story)? None of those are his own words. He actually cut out some of the more inflammatory remarks that were in the Associated Press version. Here's a copy of that version (with his text underlined):

KABUL, Afghanistan - Human Rights Watch said Monday it had uncovered two more cases of prisoners dying in American custody in Afghanistan, and it accused the Bush administration of "dragging its feet" on investigations that could have prevented the abuse of prisoners in Iraq.

In an open letter to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, the New York-based rights group said it had new evidence of "an alleged murder of a detainee by four U.S. military personnel" in Afghanistan in 2002. More recently, it said a man picked up on Sept. 24, 2004, died the next day at an American base, but it did not specify the cause of death.

"It's time for the United States to come clean about crimes committed by U.S. forces in Afghanistan," said Brad Adams, the group's Asia division director. "The United States has to get serious about prosecuting people implicated in prisoner deaths and mistreatment."

U.S. military officials in Afghanistan had no immediate comment on the alleged new cases highlighted in the letter.

Military investigators are already examining the deaths of several prisoners in U.S. custody here, but have released few of their findings.

Rights groups have been particularly critical of the slow pace of a criminal investigation into how two Afghans died at the main American base at Bagram, north of the capital, in December 2002.

The Army announced in October that up to 28 U.S. soldiers face possible criminal charges including involuntary manslaughter and maiming in connection with the deaths, both of which were ruled homicides.

Some of those expected to face charges are from the 519th Military Intelligence Battalion. Some members of the 519th went from Afghanistan to Iraq in 2003 and are among those accused by Army investigators of abusing Iraqi detainees in fall 2003.

In its letter to Rumsfeld, Human Rights Watch said the alleged murder happened in or before September 2002 — even earlier than the Bagram case.

The group said recently released Pentagon documents from an Army investigation at the time stated that the four soldiers "murdered" the man "after detaining him for following their movements." Human Rights Watch said the case was apparently closed and unspecified action taken against the soldiers.

It identified the man who died on Sept. 25 as Sher Mohammed Khan and said he was arrested during a raid on his family's home near the eastern city of Khost in which his brother was shot and killed by U.S. forces.

Khan died at an American military base and his family told Afghan rights investigators that the body was bruised when they retrieved it, Human Rights Watch said.

Khost Gov. Merajuddin Patan said Monday that U.S. officers told him that a man had died in their custody at about that time of a heart attack.

Human Rights Watch called for U.S. officials to explain both deaths and said they helped highlight the American government's "failure to establish accountability for abuses."

The failure to prosecute abuses in Afghanistan dating back to 2002 "spawned a culture of impunity" among some interrogators, and allowed abusive interrogation techniques to spread to Iraq. "The U.S. government is dragging its feet on these investigations," Adams said.

The group also called for the release of a review of the about 20 U.S. holding facilities at bases scattered across Afghanistan which was ordered by the top American commander here in May but remains under review by his superiors.

Lt. Gen. David Barno has said that many improvements were made to procedures for handling prisoners in the light of the cases of alleged abuse as well as the still-classified review.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Okay, now I have to start doing that.

 

[Raziaar]

Have you read the article he was quoting in the original post (not the one that is now linked to at the bottom, since they updated the story)? None of those are his own words. He actually cut out some of the more inflammatory remarks that were in the Associated Press version. Here's a copy of that version (with his text underlined):

Uhh... I was talking about what he chose to label the link.

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[CptStern]

isnt that the mission in iraq?

 

[Steve]

everyone in the world is a potential terrorist

Not puppies!

 

[gh0st]

isnt that the mission in iraq?

Whose talking about Iraq?

 

[smwScott]

I don't see what the controversy is. A group of soldiers committed murder and are now being tried accordingly. No one is defending their actions or trying to rationalize them, at least no one important is. There's lots of things the US handled very poorly with Iraq, but I really don't see how this fits.

Whenever there is military conflict, there are certain people who let the newfound power of being not only allowed but encouraged to kill and enforce their doctrine on others go to their heads. They do things they would never do in their own lives. Does this make their crimes any less wrong? No. But I don't see how the US government is at fault for this, especially as they're now prosecuting.

This is coming from someone who is very liberal too. However, I also try my best to be objective. There are more than enough things that the Bush adminstration and the US government have done wrong that we don't need to grab at straws like this.

 

[Johan_Tayn]

Stern, you sound as if those 8 or so people dying proves something beyond that some soldiers might have killed some prisoners.

I think we shouldn't take prisoners. We evaluate and then set free or execute. what do you think? Why hold lots of innocent or otherwise men in captivity?

 

[Ferrarik1]

Im glad they got killed too no offense