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The mainstream parties are alienating working class whites in Britain, and they are turning to the BNP.

In the last general election immigration was a hot topic, aswell.

I don't think the BNP will gain wide spread support but it's still concerning, and this alienation of working class whites could get very messy in a few years
 
I live in Burnley, at one point they had like %30 of the council. All the press about there support and such doesn't help.

The Anti-Nazi Leauge, of whom I help out leafleting occasionaly, say we should use a 'No Platform' Policy. Which is not debating publicly with the BNP or publishing or allowing them to air there views in the Press ect. My mum paintballed a big sign they have on a chimney as you enter the town center. It's a disgrace.

Any measures against the BNP are justafied. On their first day of council the Anti-Nazi leauge through eggs at them, I was on holiday but the photos in the local paper looked like they got the bastards good.

We must do all we can to stop these Bastards, they are simply to big an evil with to big a risk of getting into important positions.
 
Solaris said:
I live in Burnley, at one point they had like %30 of the council. All the press about there support and such doesn't help.

The Anti-Nazi Leauge, of whom I help out leafleting occasionaly, say we should use a 'No Platform' Policy. Which is not debating publicly with the BNP or publishing or allowing them to air there views in the Press ect. My mum paintballed a big sign they have on a chimney as you enter the town center. It's a disgrace.

Any measures against the BNP are justafied. On their first day of council the Anti-Nazi leauge through eggs at them, I was on holiday but the photos in the local paper looked like they got the bastards good.

We must do all we can to stop these Bastards, they are simply to big an evil with to big a risk of getting into important positions.
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Remind me to never to get on your bad side.
 
If you silence their Publicity, you'll martyr them on the door to door campaign

The main parties need to address why the working class whites feel alienated
 
Mr Stabby said:
If you silence their Publicity, you'll martyr them on the door to door campaign

The main parties need to address why the working class whites feel alienated
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They need to stop feeding them the shit. If the BNP starts a campaign against immigration for instance, the conservatives try and appeal to these people, by condeming the number of Asylum seekers aloud in the country every year, or some bollocks like that. This just fuels the BNP's support. What are they thinking?

Conservative: Damn, the BNP are getting alot of support for saying Muslims are evil! How can we get people who sympathise from voting for them.
Conservative2: Lets through Bricks through a Mosque Window!

Jesus, gets me really angry. By saying a little Bullshit your making the Nazis who spout complete BullShit appear to make a little more sense.

Stop creating hate! Ayslum is not a problem, Immigrants are good for the economy, stop appealing to racists, it makes there views seem legitimate.
 
housing and jobs are the bread and butter issues, immigration is the BNP's spin on the problem
 
Mr Stabby said:
housing and jobs are the bread and butter issues, immigration is the BNP's spin on the problem
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People need to realise that there is no real immigration problem.
 
As long as the BNP keep making terrible adverts and campaign slogans, then we're pretty safe.
 
Solaris, destroying democracy is wrong regardless of who tries to get into power, as that just makes you as bad as them, and honestly, removing their ability to argue makes you look like you are struggling to debate with them.
 
Solaris said:
I live in Burnley, at one point they had like %30 of the council. All the press about there support and such doesn't help.

The Anti-Nazi Leauge, of whom I help out leafleting occasionaly, say we should use a 'No Platform' Policy. Which is not debating publicly with the BNP or publishing or allowing them to air there views in the Press ect. My mum paintballed a big sign they have on a chimney as you enter the town center. It's a disgrace.

Any measures against the BNP are justafied. On their first day of council the Anti-Nazi leauge through eggs at them, I was on holiday but the photos in the local paper looked like they got the bastards good.

We must do all we can to stop these Bastards, they are simply to big an evil with to big a risk of getting into important positions.
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I'm actually against this sort of action TBH. As much as I would dearly love to throw eggs at them etc, it is the worst thing that we can possibly do. By blacking out their press coverage and refusing to debate with them we are lending credibility to their arguments. They've always gone on about how the government is trying to block out the 'truth' - silencing them makes them look like the victims. And really, who is going to come off looking worse, a the side who fight their campaign with a minimum of fuss (aside from some BS leaflets) or the side who has to resort to vandalism to get its point across?

Besides, you can't just block out or ban a political party because their beliefs are abhorrent. Let them condemn themselves out of their own mouths - eventually people will realize what they are: a bunch of racist thugs masquerading as a political party.
 
gick said:
Besides, you can't just block out or ban a political party because their beliefs are abhorrent. Let them condemn themselves out of their own mouths - eventually people will realize what they are: a bunch of racist thugs masquerading as a political party.
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That might work in a country where, for illustration, the most popular newspaper isn't the Sun. People are too stupid or at least uninformed for democracy to work in such an ideal fashion.
 
Solaris, stop egging them on! It'll only make things worse!

I, for one, welcome our new Nationalist masters. Oh no, wait, I don't. Cunts.
 
gick said:
I'm actually against this sort of action TBH. As much as I would dearly love to throw eggs at them etc, it is the worst thing that we can possibly do. By blacking out their press coverage and refusing to debate with them we are lending credibility to their arguments. They've always gone on about how the government is trying to block out the 'truth' - silencing them makes them look like the victims. And really, who is going to come off looking worse, a the side who fight their campaign with a minimum of fuss (aside from some BS leaflets) or the side who has to resort to vandalism to get its point across?
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The thing is, as soon as a normal politician gets on a stand with them it legitimatises them as a legitimate party, which they are not. They are racist thugs mascarading as politicians. We don't ignore them, we just spread propaganda, facts, leaflets ect. to areas they are targetting to inform the people of how bad the nazis are. We must not give them a chance to defend themselves or appear legitimate.

Solaris, destroying democracy is wrong regardless of who tries to get into power, as that just makes you as bad as them, and honestly, removing their ability to argue makes you look like you are struggling to debate with them.
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No it isn't. Would you rather German democracy was destroyed or have let people vote for Nazis and allow the holocaust to happen. We can see from history that that is the sort of shit that democracy can bring, and we must use any tactics possibly to stop such evil.
 
the nazies did not have an overall majority, and used a flaw in the German constitution to create a dictatorship.
 
Mr Stabby said:
the nazies did not have an overall majority, and used a flaw in the German constitution to create a dictatorship.
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No democracy is safe from idiocy. If the nazis get the same level of power as they did a few years ago in my town, my town is f****d. Do you know how little a council can do when it's %30 Nazi? They were crap councillors, ones now in jail after fighting at a football match, he was expelled from the BNP before hand after fighting with a fello Nazi at the Anual Nazi Red White and Blue festival. He is quoted as saying he didn't care and that "Politics was boring".
 
Also, Hitler got his stormtroopers to intimidate people at the polling booths.

Also, Hitler claimed to be a socialist, which further fueled his popularity at that time in Europe.

Technocrats - We're here to better the world.
 
I like what David Cameron said about He doesn't care who people vote for, as long as its not BNP

Whether or not I vote conservative is down to whether I remember to visit the polling station

I would vote for a reform to Technocracy, its a shame that hardly anybody of the public have actually heard of the government type, but I would be worried that a technocratic government would alienate the working class
 
Damn David Cameron for making me even contemplate voting for the Tories!
 
Solaris said:
No democracy is safe from idiocy. If the nazis get the same level of power as they did a few years ago in my town, my town is f****d. Do you know how little a council can do when it's %30 Nazi? They were crap councillors, ones now in jail after fighting at a football match, he was expelled from the BNP before hand after fighting with a fello Nazi at the Anual Nazi Red White and Blue festival. He is quoted as saying he didn't care and that "Politics was boring".
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democracy makes the government accountable to the people what possible better way is there, and don't say something stupid like communism
 
I would personally cause a ruckus against anyone trying to destroy democracy, Nazi or anti-Nazi. Also, technocracy would probably be pretty bad too. As Churchill (?) said "democracy is the worst form of government, other than all the others that have been tried and failed" (something close to that).
 
Mr Stabby said:
democracy makes the government accountable to the people what possible better way is there, and don't say something stupid like communism
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He's not saying anything like that - his key point is that no democracy is safe from stupidity. It is a good system, in an ideal world. But people are stupid when it comes down to big important stuff like, say, running a country. For a democracy to work, it needs an effective education system so people are able to make informed choices and decisions. Most people know jack shit about how to resolve social and economic problems.
As things stand people's political opinions and desires are mostly limited by the patronising and populist mass media (and most people are more interested in trivial bullshit anyway). That is why crappy stuff happens in a democracy.
 
-democracy makes the government accountable to the people what possible better way is there, and don't say something stupid like communism.
Socialist Revolution or Death!
 
Niether was I. :p I just thought it would be funny to see you DIE HORRIBLY IN A SHOWER OF GORE.
 
I was reading an article on the current riuse in BNP popularity in the Guardian over the weekend that actually made me feel physically unwell. I couldn't quite stomach what I was reading and had to cover up the photo of the BNP candidate/counciller they were talking to, because seeing it made me angry.
They're a grotesque bunch of racist bastards who know precisely what they're doing in employing Hitlerian tactics to rope people in and aiming at soft spots for the maligned white working class.
They're offering no soultions; just hatred.

The smile on the BNP leader's face when he got off those charges a couple of months back was simply grotesque.

DEATH eVADER said:
I like what David Cameron said about He doesn't care who people vote for, as long as its not BNP

Whether or not I vote conservative is down to whether I remember to visit the polling station
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That is a good statement from David Cameron. It may be the only good statement he's made. The man's an arse. The Tories are dreadful.
 
el Chi said:
The smile on the BNP leader's face when he got off those charges a couple of months back was simply grotesque.
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Almost as bad as the statement he made afterwards. Something along the lines of 'Tonight millions of Britons will be rejoicing that Labour were unable to silence the truth!'

That is a good statement from David Cameron. It may be the only good statement he's made. The man's an arse. The Tories are dreadful.
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Speaking of David Cameron, remember in the news a few days ago, he'd been to Norway to visit evironmentalists etc to make the Tories look like the 'Green' party? Well my mum's friend went there at the same time. Jokingly, she said 'I wonder if they'll meet David Cameron?' Turns out he was in the room next door in the lodge they stayed at! Apparently, he was an obnoxious twat. He wouldnt answer any of their questions and when he wasnt gurning at the cameras, he was screaming down the phone at his minions.

My mum's friend and her husband made a point of banging on his wall at 2:00am so he couldnt get any sleep. :laugh:
 
The notion of nationalism in the UK is a laughable one given our mixed heritage (everyone and their grandmother has invaded us at some point historically), we are one of the biggest mongrel races going in terms of mixed bloodlines (even the celts were invaders). There is no such thing as a pure englishman, merely the conceit of one.

With regards to immigration however, I'd have to say that there is some truth in tighter restrictions. The UK is already grossly overpopulated (we have a 4th of the population of america, yet a 50th of the landmass). Short of bringing in key workers, we have little need to take on more people. Physically the country couldn't sustain it's present population levels in the event of a world wide collapse. Without food imports we'd face a famine situation in the UK in a matter of weeks. Given the present world climate (and ever diminishing fuel sources) it isn't inconcievable that within the next 10 -15 years we might well face such a crisis.

However in order to reduce the UKs population problem longterm a more important issue is an adjustment to present social policy. As it stands you can live off income support and have as many children as you like and the state will foot the bill (though what quality of life and eventual life opportunities these children will enjoy is debatable). In a lot of other countries in the event that you lose your income, the state will finance you and your present family, but will not pay towards the upkeep of children you have after the event. That is much more sensible approach, and one I'd like to see the UK adopt in the future.
 
Solaris said:
I live in Burnley, at one point they had like %30 of the council. All the press about there support and such doesn't help.

The Anti-Nazi Leauge, of whom I help out leafleting occasionaly, say we should use a 'No Platform' Policy. Which is not debating publicly with the BNP or publishing or allowing them to air there views in the Press ect. My mum paintballed a big sign they have on a chimney as you enter the town center. It's a disgrace.

Any measures against the BNP are justafied. On their first day of council the Anti-Nazi leauge through eggs at them, I was on holiday but the photos in the local paper looked like they got the bastards good.

We must do all we can to stop these Bastards, they are simply to big an evil with to big a risk of getting into important positions.
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Those are the kind of tactics that send people to support them and strengthen the resolve of their party, especially the acts of vandalism/assault with eggs. Stifling their right to free speech only makes them a martyr in people's eyes who may have only been slightly predisposed to supporting them before.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Those are the kind of tactics that send people to support them and strengthen the resolve of their party, especially the acts of vandalism/assault with eggs. Stifling their right to free speech only makes them a martyr in people's eyes who may have only been slightly predisposed to supporting them before.
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These are the tactics that prevent them from attending council meetings, that stop them having marches in our towns, and stop them advertising themselves.

With regards to immigration however, I'd have to say that there is some truth in tighter restrictions. The UK is already grossly overpopulated (we have a 4th of the population of america, yet a 50th of the landmass).
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UK Population = 59,834,300
USA Population= 298,540,066
More like a 5th, but I won't nitpick on that. Were not at all overpopulated. The average birthrate is 1.3 and more people are leaving the country than coming in. Do you live in the UK? We have a hell of alot of space, to make a claim saying were overpopulated is absurd. The population of Scotland is in decline, and theres already a hell of alot of room there.

Short of bringing in key workers, we have little need to take on more people. Physically the country couldn't sustain it's present population levels in the event of a world wide collapse.
Without food imports we'd face a famine situation in the UK in a matter of weeks. Given the present world climate (and ever diminishing fuel sources) it isn't inconcievable that within the next 10 -15 years we might well face such a crisis.
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Source? I don't think I world collapse is likely, and if it is the problem isn't immigration, it's capitalism raping mother nature and f*****g both nature and people up. In the event of a 'world collapse' we'd all be screwed no matter on the immigration laws.

However in order to reduce the UKs population problem longterm a more important issue is an adjustment to present social policy. As it stands you can live off income support and have as many children as you like and the state will foot the bill (though what quality of life and eventual life opportunities these children will enjoy is debatable). In a lot of other countries in the event that you lose your income, the state will finance you and your present family, but will not pay towards the upkeep of children you have after the event. That is much more sensible approach, and one I'd like to see the UK adopt in the future.
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Where I live there's a hell of alot of people on benifits with kids, but you know what? Theres f**k all jobs as well, we just gonna stop giving the drug addict mum money, hell most of it goes to drugs, but denying her the benifits just f**ks up the children making them grow into a drug addict too.

What we need is some decent education, with proper welfare support. More adult training, lets bring these people out of their poverty with the carrot on a stick apporach, not the deny their children food method.
 
So I'm guessing you eat organic locally grown food, Solaris, after all, it would be extremely hypocritical to say you get your groceries at Tescos whilst commenting how bad globalisation is.
 
Kadayi Polokov said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density

The UK has 243 people for every KM2 of land.

France has 110 people for every KM2 of land.

The US has 30 for every KM2 of land.

Norway has 14 for every KM2 of land.

The internet, it's a wonderful place to find find facts and figures :dozey:
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You said a fourth of the population. What you put is people per square kilometer, A DIFFERENT THING.
So I'm guessing you eat organic locally grown food, Solaris, after all, it would be extremely hypocritical to say you get your groceries at Tescos whilst commenting how bad globalisation is.
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No, becuase that isn't the solution. The solution is socialist revolution.
 
Mr Stabby said:
What would that entail
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From each according to Ability,

This means that no-ones asked to do anything more than they can, and everyone will be asked to contribute to the best of their ability. For example people of low IQ would be able to do simple production jobs, maybe cleaning, factory lines ect. These people however would not be penalised by society becuase of something they can't control and would get the same rewards for their efforts as anyone else who also gives the best according to their ability. Some people with extremly high IQ's will be called upoun by society to use them, these people might be Doctors, Scientists, Philosophers ect. As long as they contribute their best efforts they will get the same reward as others who also contribute to the best of their ability.

To Each According to Need.
Everything people make will go to the state and be distributed by the state, what you get from the state will depend on your need. If you need a wheelchair you will get a wheelchair from the state + the same as everyone else. If your extremly hairy you won't be issued clothes as you won't need them (jk :p).
 
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