Dr Phil blames video games for Virginia slaughter

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[el Chi]

I think the only solution is to go on a rampage and murder Dr. Phil. That'll show 'im.

 

[Solaris]

Funny, I used to really respect the fellow.

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

Can't wait 'till his and JT's generation dies off.

 

[Asus]

Can't wait 'till his and JT's generation dies off.

I know a few in this generation that could take their place. D:

 

[Qonfused]

Funny, I used to really respect the fellow.

Same.

 

[Asknoone]

Dr. Phil can wipe my ass.

 

[el Chi]

Dr. Phil can wipe my ass.

I'll let him know.

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

I know a few in this generation that could take their place. D:

D:

 

[Asknoone]

I'll let him know.

Is that a hint of jealousy in your post Chi? :naughty:

 

[Jintor]

Who's a prominent television personality we can hijack and use to prove our point?

(Is Jon Stewert going to weigh into this with the force of a thousand suns?)

 

[Stigmata]

He'd better. I'll be watching tonight.

You know, at 2am, when the rerun comes on.

 

[Que-Ever]

Pff, whatever, everyone knows koreans don't play video games.

I wanna see someone get crushed to death by a falling crate full of video games.

 

[Krynn72]

Funny, I used to really respect the fellow.

lol

Dr phil was always, and always will be a male oprah. AKA a complete joke and a mockery of all human-kind.

 

[Kyorisu]

You take that and mix it with a psychopath, a sociopath or someone suffering from mental illness and add in a dose of rage, the suggestibility is too high.

Or you know identifying these sociopaths/psychopaths and giving them the help they need instead of ignoring them.

 

[Leviticus]

I can't respectably take the position that he is attacking videogames with that quote. He isn't. Furthermore, if he was I couldn't respectably criticize him for it, as that would be a perfectly acceptable hypothesis. We do live in a society where homocide is surrogately experienced by pretty much everyone on a day-to-day basis. I'm not going to sit here and say that videogames aren't free from the laws of cause and effect just because I happen to play them. They, like most things, influence people both positively and negatively, and if they were found to increase the likelihood of sociopathic behavior on the part of individuals with the same circumstances that our killer found himself in, then it would be silly of me to be offended. Not everything fun is entirely beneficial to society.

What I'm seeing here is a knee-jerk reaction to someone vaguely suggesting that videogames, along with other things like film and television, could influence some of these massacres. Guys, they probably do. We live in a changing society, constantly, and that metamorphisis isn't always going to be pretty. We can't just sit here and pretend that our hobbies are exempt. I think the main problem is how distant we are from each other. He isn't my favorite guy in the world, but Dr. Phil is someone who tries to bring people together, and I think that is part of what he is saying here. That Kids are being raised on television, film, and videogames without healthy family environments probably does influence the murder-rate.

 

[Krynn72]

We arnt so much offended that they claim video games do have an affect, its more that we are pissed that they are trying to ban parts of our hobby because of a very small minority of people who play them go nuts.

I dont think anyone here denies that a video game or movie might have a behavior changing effect on someone mentally unstable. The problem is that an overwhelming majority of people play these games and have no negative affect from it. What needs to be done is to find ways to better identify and help this minority of people who might do something like this.

Besides, most of us here are just getting sick of our hobby being the scapegoat for such acts. Seriously, it was hardly (if even) a day by the time Dr Phil made his comment. I doubt he even knew for sure if the kid played games, but he said it anyways. Its one of the first things people say now "oh, it must be those damn video games" before they even know a damn thing about the case.

 

[Muffin Man]

Agree with Leviticus. He didn't really say video games were evil, he said some people are highly suggestible. Which is true. Some people are effected by media and games. Is it the game's fault? No. Doesn't mean we shouldn't do something about it. More of a person problem than a game problem, though.

And Dr. Phil has always been a joke.

EDIT: Also agree with Krynn.

 

[function9]

lol

Dr phil was always, and always will be a male oprah. AKA a complete joke and a mockery of all human-kind.

QFT. I'm sorry, you don't have your face and image plastered all over TV and other media if you want to help people. You do it to make money. It's sad people can't seem to grasp this and think what's on TV is gospel.

 

[Muffin Man]

QFT. I'm sorry, you don't have your face and image plastered all over TV and other media if you want to help people. You do it to make money. It's sad people can't seem to grasp this and think what's on TV is gospel.

He wants to help people. But he also wants to have a huge ego because of it.

EDIT: So, I guess he just wants to be in a position of power, or some such, not actually help people... I don't know what I'm saying, cut me a break. I'm tired!

 

[Leviticus]

He wants to help people. But he also wants to have a huge ego because of it.

EDIT: So, I guess he just wants to be in a position of power, or some such, not actually help people... I don't know what I'm saying, cut me a break. I'm tired!

I credit Dr. Phil with making a talk show that is about resolving domestic conflict rather than encouraging it. Also, from what I have seen of his show he is very mild in manner and in opinions. It isn't cool to like Dr. Phil but I don't necessarily hate him.

 

[Stigmata]

From what I've seen he's a pretty reprehensible person. Almost on par with Thompson.

 

[function9]

I credit Dr. Phil with making a talk show that is about resolving domestic conflict rather than encouraging it. Also, from what I have seen of his show he is very mild in manner and in opinions. It isn't cool to like Dr. Phil but I don't necessarily hate him.

Can't say I hate him either. But I'm also not an insecure stay-at-home soccer mom that thinks the world (and family) are against me. So no, it's not about "not being cool" it's just that "I'm not buying it."

Long gone are the days of educational programming. These networks don't make the money they do by handing out timeslots to someone that wants to "help people". They do it by packing as much sensationalized drama in between every commercial they can.

 

[Shasta]

Typical.

We have the same games here in NZ as the rest of the world. Guess how many "confused" kids went on a killing rampage in the entire country here last year. Zero. Year before that? Zero. See a trend? Do I need to keep going? How many people in NZ have even died from a gunshot wound - including police shootings etc? Around 4 last year. Year before? About 2. etc etc etc. Would Dr Phil care to explain why WE don't go psycho after playing violent games? Are we just better people? Smarter? Must be something, if video games really ARE to blame, it must just mean that he's saying Americans are weak minded or something, because kids in other countries aren't driven to insane rampaging after playing GTA etc?...

Seems to me Americans and their attitudes, lifestyles, and ridiculous gun laws (right to bear arms - NOT the smartest piece of law to have - for gods sake it means kids can take guns to school etc) have more to do with the state of that country than some kids playing video games.

 

[X-FacToR]

Typical.

We have the same games here in NZ as the rest of the world. Guess how many "confused" kids went on a killing rampage in the entire country here last year. Zero. Year before that? Zero. See a trend? Do I need to keep going? How many people in NZ have even died from a gunshot wound - including police shootings etc? Around 4 last year. Year before? About 2. etc etc etc. Would Dr Phil care to explain why WE don't go psycho after playing violent games? Are we just better people? Smarter? Must be something, if video games really ARE to blame, it must just mean that he's saying Americans are weak minded or something, because kids in other countries aren't driven to insane rampaging after playing GTA etc?...

Seems to me Americans and their attitudes, lifestyles, and ridiculous gun laws (right to bear arms - NOT the smartest piece of law to have - for gods sake it means kids can take guns to school etc) have more to do with the state of that country than some kids playing video games.

Anyone can get a gun thats true, but not everyone is going to go on a gun rampage and kill a bunch of people, just because theirs a bad apple do we outlaw guns? If someone wants to kill people its not a very hard task to accomplish, hell u dont even need a gun.

 

[Shasta]

Anyone can get a gun thats true, but not everyone is going to go on a gun rampage and kill a bunch of people, just because theirs a bad apple do we outlaw guns? If someone wants to kill people its not a very hard task to accomplish, hell u dont even need a gun.

Congratulations on so completely missing my point. Let me dumb it down for you even more:

Dr Phil (and others) claim that video games cause violence.

USA has games.

NZ has same games.

USA has a bunch of violent massacres, and a STACK of gun related killings each year. Many are attributed to video games.

NZ has almost ZERO gun deaths, and ZERO massacres each year.

Question - if someone thinks video games ARE the cause, then why are only Americans going and causing trouble after playing games?



Also, you say "just because there's a bad apple do we outlaw guns?". America not only lets kids bring guns to school, but they could sue if they were stopped from doing so. How fu*king mental is that? That is one of the most retarded things I have ever heard. Wait for it: "It's our right to bear arms and defend ourselves blah blah" rant from yanks. You only need guns to defend yourselves from all the OTHER idiots that have guns for the same reason you do. Did that law actually help any of the other kids at that school? NO. Did it harm them? YES. Has that law EVER helped people "defend" themselves in any similar situation? Doubtful. More people are injured or killed by their own / someone they knows gun, than are protected by the same gun. It's a fact. Plus Americans just don't seem to have the intelligence to safely operate / store a gun, let alone the responsibility or common sense.

Bah.

 

[Kyorisu]

Anyone can get a gun thats true, but not everyone is going to go on a gun rampage and kill a bunch of people, just because theirs a bad apple do we outlaw guns? If someone wants to kill people its not a very hard task to accomplish, hell u dont even need a gun.

Compare killing 32 people with a gun to trying to do that same feat with say a large blade.

Which seems easier? Which seems easier to stop? I'd rather try to tackle the guy with the knife.

The reason you get so many nuts killing people is because with a gun it's so easy to do and guns are so easy to get. Sure you could get a gun down here but you'd have to go to somewhat more of an effort to obtain one illegally or legally for that matter. Guns should not be allowed in an educational environment it's that simple (Not being American I have no idea whether they are allowed/checked for). Yeah sure you'll still get a few nuts but not so many as before.

That aside I've been held up at gunpoint and by idiots with stupidly large blades, it's what happens when you work at a servo in a bad neighborhood. Alteast they don't go around killing people. - Debatable.

 

[Baal]

Compare killing 32 people with a gun to trying to do that same feat with say a large blade.

Which seems easier? Which seems easier to stop?

The reason you get so many nuts killing people is because with a gun it's so easy to do and guns are so easy to get. Come to Australia, get a gun license, have your gun locked down when not in use, etc. It's a lot harder to achieve. Guns should not be allowed in an educational environment it's that simple. Yeah sure you'll still get a few nuts but not so many as before.

That aside I've been held up at gunpoint and by idiots with stupidly large blades, it's what happens when you work at a servo in a bad neighborhood. Alteast they don't go around killing people.

I'm not 100% sure what you were implying by this, but the Virginia Tech campus (most do, I'm sure) has a no weapon policy.

 

[Kyorisu]

Then ignore that part the rest still makes a tad of sense.

 

[Shasta]

I'm not 100% sure what you were implying by this, but the Virginia Tech campus (most do, I'm sure) has a no weapon policy.

That sure worked out well for them, didn't it. I feel safer already.

The problem is that americans live with their heads up their own asses on issues like this. Why does every citizen think they NEED a gun, and a right to carry it everywhere? Why would an honest citizen NEED to be allowed to carry a gun around town? NO-ONE except police etc can do that here, and we have NO problems with guns. "To protect ourselves" you say? REALLY? So if someone came up to you in the street and put a gun to your head, do most americans REALLY think that they can get the gun out of their pocket, aim, and shoot BEFORE they get their head blown off? Too many movies I think.

All these (basically untrained and incompetent) people walking around the streets with guns cause FAR more damage than they do protect the owner of the gun. Accidental discharge, kids getting hold of them, bad aim hitting innocent people, etc - the list goes on. And how many of these people have ACTUALLY used their gun to defend themselves?....

There is NO need for guns to be so easily accessed by everyday members of the public, and certainly no need to be allowed to carry guns around wherever the hell you please. Sure, hard criminal etc will still get their hands on them, but you're not going to defend yourself against someone like that anyway. In fact, you'd be more likely to live if you WEREN'T waving a gun in a drug-lords face like some sort of rambo. Besides, over here, ANYONE seen with a gun in a place that is not a farm or hunting area is pretty much arrested here on site. I have NO problem with that sort of attitude, and feel MUCH safer with NO guns, than I would if I knew almost EVERYONE around me potentially has a gun. Even if none of them had bad intentions, who's to say one of those idiots won't set off their gun by mistake - and in my direction.

 

[kirovman]

Yeah, it's gotta be computer games.

I mean, not readily available guns or anything?

 

[VirusType2]

Yeah, it's gotta be computer games.

I mean, not readily available guns or anything?

Good point. Yea, it's that crazy rock music that influenced him. (as they used to blame violence on rock and roll, then it went to movies, then rap music, now it's games, whats next? The internet.) :upstare:

 

[Kula Meenur]

Philly can go get ****ed

 

[Steven]

I've known Dr. Phil's really a dickhead since he did that episode with that stoner kid when he blamed he's rebelious behaviour on the substance, I mean **** how can you not realise that the kid is a teenager and wanted to rebel, and smokeing pot was a part of this kids bullshit.

Good point. Yea, it's that crazy rock music that influenced him. (as they used to blame violence on rock and roll, then it went to movies, then rap music, now it's games, whats next? The internet.) :upstare:

VirusType2's back *alerts internets*, how's that Doom 3 mod goeing?
Actually I do suspect that kid was a 4chan user, which could have aded to his depression and writeing stories about pediopilea. But that couldent have done much to a kid who was obviously under developed in some way or had some kind of genetic depression.

 

[The Monkey]

Meh, it's not like they will ban video games.

 

[kirovman]

I dunno... they banned Abortions today so I'm guessing Video games will be next.

Come to think of it, most gun-related deaths are directly caused by abortion.

 

[CptStern]

or could have been prevented by abortion

screw gun control! abortions for everyone!

 

[Marinmald]

I do not know what kinda gun laws you all have been reading, but around here (which is in the middle of America), we do not allow kids to go to school with guns. If they are caught they get punished, in my last few years of high school we were not aloud to have pocket knives either, or anything that could be misconstrued as a weapon. Which made shop class a little harder since we were not aloud to carry tools about outside of class (like if the shop did not have a specific tool you needed to use so you brought one from home.)

 

[Stigmata]

But what we're seeing here is that it doesn't matter if it's "against the rules" or illegal, people will purchase guns and bring them wherever they want anyway. Rules against possession of weapons in specific places aren't stopping anything.

 

[Wanted Bob]

Typical.

We have the same games here in NZ as the rest of the world. Guess how many "confused" kids went on a killing rampage in the entire country here last year. Zero. Year before that? Zero. See a trend? Do I need to keep going? How many people in NZ have even died from a gunshot wound - including police shootings etc? Around 4 last year. Year before? About 2. etc etc etc. Would Dr Phil care to explain why WE don't go psycho after playing violent games? Are we just better people? Smarter? Must be something, if video games really ARE to blame, it must just mean that he's saying Americans are weak minded or something, because kids in other countries aren't driven to insane rampaging after playing GTA etc?...

Seems to me Americans and their attitudes, lifestyles, and ridiculous gun laws (right to bear arms - NOT the smartest piece of law to have - for gods sake it means kids can take guns to school etc) have more to do with the state of that country than some kids playing video games.

Also, down in NZ and AU (as well as in more places I'm sure), they have a completely different rating system for video games. A lot of M rated games are rated as such so you only need to be 15 (sometimes thats even only a recommendation) in order to obtain these game. Sure, there are other ways to get M-rated games, but being 15 or younger and you are able to just walk right into a store and purchase an M-rated game kinda makes the idea more "attractive".