Girl Raped @ Alton Towers on School Trip

[RakuraiTenjin]

So they can live on your streets and mug and rape your people instead of ours? Good deal, thanks.

We're armed.

Rakurai, if you think we have socialism in the UK anymore, you're quite misguided. Please learn to shut about things you don't understand. Are you suggesting we should make this people homeless? I don't quite think that's going to improve the situation.

What's a council house then? You have socialism just as we do, but to a much larger extent. No, ending socialism can't be done by just taking it all away at once. Has to be done by getting people on welfare to work programs, etc, reviewing individiual cases. Spending a little bit more money on getting people off of it now, will save everyone money later and improve the quality of life. By indentifying TRUE slobs and parasites, you can kick them off without fear of getting those off who really just are in a tight squeeze needing some assistance.

 

[mortiz]

We're armed.

Ah, you're right. They'll be able buy/steal guns in your country to help them in their quest.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Ah, you're right. They'll be able buy/steal guns in your country to help them in their quest.

Felons can't buy guns. They probably won't be able to afford it anyways. Studies show the number of muggings, rapes, assaults, etc decreases dramatically when concealed carry laws are allowed.

* Approximately 11% of gun owners and 13% of handgun owners have used their firearms for protection from criminals.

* When citizens use guns for protection from criminals, the criminal is wounded in about 1 out of every 100 instances, and the criminal is killed in about 1 out of every 1000 instances. --(note: Using gun for protection doesn't have to mean shots fired, the gun could simply be brandished and the criminal flees)

* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%.


Gun laws being relaxed example
* Right-to-carry laws require law enforcement agencies to issue handgun permits to all qualified applicants. Qualifications include criteria such as age, a clean criminal record, and completing a firearm safety course.

* In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws.

* As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the U.S. population lives in these states.

* In 1996, Dr. John R. Lott of the University of Chicago Law School published the results of a crime study conducted using FBI data for all 3,045 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992.

* The study sought to answer the question, "What happens to crime when states adopt right-to-carry laws?"

* Between 1977 and 1992, 10 states adopted right-to-carry laws. Dr. Lott's study found that the implementation of these laws created:
-- no change in suicide rates,
-- a .5% rise in accidental firearm deaths,
-- a 5% decline in rapes,
-- a 7% decline in aggravated assaults,
-- and an 8% decline in murder

for the 10 states that adopted these laws between 1977 and 1992.
* Using 1995 numbers, this amounts to:

-- 1 more accidental gun death,
-- 316 less murders,
-- 939 less rapes,
-- and 14,702 less aggravated assaults

in these 10 states annually.


Florida example
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated:
"lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence."

* When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them.

* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida
homicide rate -36%
firearm homicide rate -37%
handgun homicide rate -41%

United States
homicide rate -.4%
firearm homicide rate +15%
handgun homicide rate +24%


* 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms.

* As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense.

* As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life.



The facts on this issue are clear.

 

[Solaris]

The council house were started by scialist ideal about 50 years ago, now the governemnt does give a damn about them and these are what we have left, run down crack holes. If we had a socialist government these places would be restored, socialism could fix the problem.

 

[Pulse]

Cease welfare payments- force these bastards to get a job I say.

 

[Solaris]

Single Mum+5Kids =One poor Slut.

For the sake of the kids give her money.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Cease welfare payments- force these bastards to get a job I say.

As much as I agree you have to ween them off or else chaos will ensue

Single Mum+5Kids =One poor Slut.

For the sake of the kids give her money.

Make her get a job to support them, if she can't handle it, she can't handle the kids, child protection must take them away.

 

[mortiz]

Felons can't buy guns. They probably won't be able to afford it anyways. Studies show the number of muggings, rapes, assaults, etc decreases dramatically when concealed carry laws are allowed.

* Approximately 11% of gun owners and 13% of handgun owners have used their firearms for protection from criminals.

* When citizens use guns for protection from criminals, the criminal is wounded in about 1 out of every 100 instances, and the criminal is killed in about 1 out of every 1000 instances. --(note: Using gun for protection doesn't have to mean shots fired, the gun could simply be brandished and the criminal flees)

* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%.


Gun laws being relaxed example
* Right-to-carry laws require law enforcement agencies to issue handgun permits to all qualified applicants. Qualifications include criteria such as age, a clean criminal record, and completing a firearm safety course.

* In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws.

* As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the U.S. population lives in these states.

* In 1996, Dr. John R. Lott of the University of Chicago Law School published the results of a crime study conducted using FBI data for all 3,045 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992.

* The study sought to answer the question, "What happens to crime when states adopt right-to-carry laws?"

* Between 1977 and 1992, 10 states adopted right-to-carry laws. Dr. Lott's study found that the implementation of these laws created:
-- no change in suicide rates,
-- a .5% rise in accidental firearm deaths,
-- a 5% decline in rapes,
-- a 7% decline in aggravated assaults,
-- and an 8% decline in murder

for the 10 states that adopted these laws between 1977 and 1992.
* Using 1995 numbers, this amounts to:

-- 1 more accidental gun death,
-- 316 less murders,
-- 939 less rapes,
-- and 14,702 less aggravated assaults

in these 10 states annually.


Florida example
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated:
"lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence."

* When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them.

* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida
homicide rate -36%
firearm homicide rate -37%
handgun homicide rate -41%

United States
homicide rate -.4%
firearm homicide rate +15%
handgun homicide rate +24%


* 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms.

* As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense.

* As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life.



The facts on this issue are clear.

Stats..blah...but as for the felons can't buy guns. Erm, do you really believe that? Come on, seriously? I'm sure there's plenty of illegal gun trade in the United States, probably far more than there is in the U.K. or any other country with strict gun laws since the guns are fundamentally easier to get hold of.

BTW, you didn't even post your source. Stats are meaningless without a source.

Make her get a job to support them, if she can't handle it, she can't handle the kids, child protection must take them away.

I'm not sure if that's your idea of a perfect society, but that doesn't even happen in the U.S.. A lot of children in the U.S. live in poverish conditions, just like any other country in the world.

 

[Pulse]

Why do have so many children in the first place, when they know they are going to struggle to cope with them financially?

Chavs should be neutered at birth

 

[DEATH eVADER]

This kind of thing is frankly disgusting, what the hell is Britain turning into?

200 Years ago, we would of sent them off to Australia, like all the troublemakers. I don't think they will allow them in the country these days

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Source is many of studies, some by famous Dr. John Lott, statistics from the FBI Annual Crime Reports, etc etc, they are listed on www.justfacts.com. Under the gun control section, there's a huge directory under the thing (I removed the subscripts with the sources due to it being so tedious to paste them but if you want them, go to justfacts.com, then gun control, then scroll to the bottom.


edit:

Editorial. "The case of the outgunned thug." Washington Times National Weekly Edition, January 5-11, 1998.
"Less Crime in Concealed Weapons States." Fact-O-Rama. Conservative News Service, 11/24/98.
"1998 NRA Fact Card." Viewed in January of 1999 on the National Rifle Association web site, www.nra.org
Lott, John R. Jr. More Guns, Less Crime. The University of Chicago Press, 1998. Pages 1, 11, 43
Lott, John R. Jr. and Mustard, David B. "Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns." University of Chicago School of Law, 7/26/96.
Independent Calculations performed with 1995 data from:
Lott, John R. Jr. More Guns, Less Crime. The University of Chicago Press, 1998.
"Accident Facts." Page 27. National Safety Council, 1998.
"1995 Uniform Crime Reports." Pages 68-78. Federal Bureau of Investigation

 

[baron insig]

meh disgusting

the world is going down the crapper atm....

 

[DEATH eVADER]

I whole hearteddly agree with Joims

 

[gh0st]

So she was drinking? And she got raped while she was intoxicated? UUuuhhhh...

 

[MrMan]

I heard about this on the way back from alton towers yesterday coincidentally. And also a bit of a coincidence the girl comes from coventry which is where i live :\

 

[Burn]

Cease welfare payments- force these bastards to get a job I say.

Not everyone on welfare are chavs who spend the day drinking and the afternoon raping others. You stupid shit.

 

[RipperRoo]

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't feel at all safe if guns became legalised in Britain. At the moment, I feel safe knowing that when I see someone holding a gun, they are there to protect us, whereas with gun legalisation, just about anyone could own one.

 

[Doppelgofer]

this past year i've completley given up faith in this country...i think the bad youth and parenting of the bad youth is far beyond repair. the damage is done, welcome to hell

 

[Lex Luthor]

Ripperpoo, don't you realize gun crimes have gone UP in England since the anti-gun legislation???

The latest gun crime figures are more than double the 4,903 firearms incidents recorded in 1997 when Labour first took power.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2640817.stm

Apparently the criminals didn't turn in their weapons... wow I couldn't see this coming.

 

[mortiz]

Ripperpoo, don't you realize gun crimes have gone UP in England since the anti-gun legislation???



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2640817.stm

Apparently the criminals didn't turn in their weapons... wow I couldn't see this coming.

Stats rarely ever tell the full story. The stats say that there's been a tendency of lower violent crime rates. Well that could be put down to a lot of things, not just the right-to-carry laws such as better quality of life and better education, all these things play a factor. For all you know the right-to-carry laws may have hampered this decrease. The tendency may have been there anyway.

 

[Asknoone]

Disgusting.

 

[Laivasse]

this past year i've completley given up faith in this country...i think the bad youth and parenting of the bad youth is far beyond repair. the damage is done, welcome to hell

I feel exactly the same. I'm debating whether or not to emigrate at some point when I'm sorted.

 

[mortiz]

I feel exactly the same. I'm debating whether or not to emigrate at some point when I'm sorted.

Where would you go? You'd be hard pressed to find a country that doesn't have rape and murder.

Look at France, a ring of 65 pedofiles was broken. They were raping/prostituting their own kids.

 

[Laivasse]

Where would you go? You'd be hard pressed to find a country that doesn't have rape and murder.

Look at France, a ring of 65 pedofiles was broken. They were raping/prostituting their own kids.

I was in Japan for a year last year and the crime rate was ridiculously low. They have combatted paedophilia by making it traditional The national mentality may be screwed up, but public order is extremely sound. I could walk down the road counting money out of my wallet without fear.

Britain, on the other hand, has just gone off a cliff. Our politicians clearly don't have a clue how to tackle the problem, or even know how deep the problem is, as evidenced by their suggestions to ban hoodies from certain public places a while back. Yes, I am sure hoodies are magical and just turn the wearer evil How are we supposed to get anywhere when our leaders are goldfish-minded reactionary turds like this?

This story about the girl sounds incomplete, too. She was treated for intoxication, so what does that mean - she got drunk on her own (while at a theme park...!!!) and then got jumped, or was it that she got alcohol forced down her throat by her abusers, or was she was drinking with the boys and then it turned unsavoury? In this story alone you can see evidence of not one fundamental problem with the younger generation atm, but 2 or 3.

 

[gh0st]

SHE.

WAS.

DRUNK.

I have no idea why you feel so sorry for her. Sucks that she made such a stupid mistake.

 

[oldagerocker]

So next time you get drunk gh0st, or maybe the first time you do... and you get raped and abused by a load of guys in a public place... sure, everyone will just shrug it off and say... 'oh well... you were drunk!!'.

 

[gh0st]

So next time you get drunk gh0st, or maybe the first time you do... and you get raped and abused by a load of guys in a public place... sure, everyone will just shrug it off and say... 'oh well... you were drunk!!'.

uh i dont feel sorry for a girl who was approached by 6 'strangers', drank to the point of being treated for it in a hospital, and was raped. when i get drunk, i do it with my friends or at a party and im not attractive enough to get raped. i certainly hope i dont have your pity if i do what she did.

 

[Pesmerga]

and im not attractive enough to get raped.

that's what you think, sexy. :imu:

 

[baxter]

SHE.

WAS.

DRUNK.

I have no idea why you feel so sorry for her. Sucks that she made such a stupid mistake.
__________________

Would you feel the same way if she was your daughter?

 

[Tr0n]

I agree with gh0st.

She shouldn't have got drunk...when she knows what it's effects are. (IE: Stupid actions.)

Shit like this happens sometimes when you get drunk.I think Einstein said it best, "A clever person solves a problem.A wise person avoids it."Now you see why I don't drink...because I can avoid the problem of getting in trouble in some way or hurting myself in some way.

 

[gh0st]

Would you feel the same way if she was your daughter?

its so easy to say that. "well if that ax murderer was your mother..." personal feelings blind us to reality. doesnt matter if its my daughter or not, fact is what she did was stupid and she paid the price for it.

she probably was consenual in the act, she was just piss drunk and couldnt think. now she's blaming the boys. whore.

 

[baxter]

I agree with gh0st.

She shouldn't have got drunk...when she knows what it's effects are. (IE: Stupid actions.)

Shit like this happens sometimes when you get drunk.I think Einstein said it best, "A clever person solves a problem.A wise person avoids it."

So, Drunk=the right to be raped ?

 

[gh0st]

So, Drunk=the right to be raped ?

no one ever said rape was ever right, but she put herself in that position (no pun in intended). i'd go so far as to say she had it coming.

 

[Tr0n]

no one ever said rape was ever right, but she put herself in that position (no pun in intended). i'd go so far as to say she had it coming.

Exactly.

I mean....sure I say get these guys and throw them in jail for the rest of their lives IMO, but she isn't getting sympathy from me for an action she could have avoided.Hell I'll tell my son and daughter that..."You drink or do drugs and something bad happens to you because of them, don't come running to me."

 

[Pesmerga]

I don't think it really matters if she gets any sympathy, the main fact is that some people are really ****ed up.

 

[baxter]

I'm not trying to provoke a disagreement but I am curious just to see how you view this.

Correct me if I’m wrong but you feel that if somebody is intoxicated they are not in control of their body or for that matter ,mind and that give us the right to exploit that?

Just Curious.

 

[gh0st]

I'm not trying to provoke a disagreement but I am curious just to see how you view this.

Correct me if I’m wrong but you feel that if somebody is intoxicated they are not in control of their body or for that matter ,mind and that give us the right to exploit that?

Just Curious.

She made the choice to be intoxicated, thus the results of her intoxication are her fault. Just like I would be royally ****ed if I drove drunk and killed a family of 4. Oohh its not my fault! I was drunk!

 

[Pesmerga]

Exactly, just like if someone walks out of their home to get the newspaper, 6 guys come out and rape you! You knew the consequences of stepping outside!!

 

[gh0st]

Exactly, just like if someone walks out of their home to get the newspaper, 6 guys come out and rape you! You knew the consequences of stepping outside!!

i cant tell if thats sarcasm or not. perhaps because i am a tard?

 

[baxter]

She made the choice to be intoxicated, thus the results of her intoxication are her fault

Really ?

Like getting shafted by six blokes against her will ?

Just like I would be royally ****ed if I drove drunk and killed a family of 4. Oohh its not my fault! I was drunk!

Driving a car is some what different to being raped but..... hey maybe in your world it's the same level of indifference.