hi guise, hasbro is buying one of Discover channels

[SpotEnemyBoats]

called Discovery kids.

Link


This is awesome, this is ****ING AWESOME. On top of that there is a big rumor floating around that there will be.... yes, that there will be a new TF cartoon.
I feel the nostalgia kicking in, its quite compelling.

Discuss.

 

[CptStern]

their first announced kids tv show will be ..."my little pony". quality educational tv programming. who needs discovery kids when they dont have My little Pony

how anyone can say that a toy company buying a kids tv development company a good thing?

"On April 30, 2009, it was announced that Hasbro will acquire a 50% stake in the Discovery Kids channel. The resulting joint-venture will relaunch the channel under a new name in late 2010. Discovery will oversee ad sales and distribution, while Hasbro will be responsible for programming"

"**** educational videos for children, lets make programs to sell our toys!!! lets market DIRECTLY to the consumer, both during the show and after. it's win win ...except for the kids but who ****ing cares about kids?"



oh but the transsformers!!!!!

 

[huntingbear]

nvr anything good to say huh stern

it's a kids channel....i couldn't really care less

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

Exactly, and as a matter of fact - there is a ton of kids-eque channels like Nick Jr, PBS kids, all of the Disney channels, etc.

It's not that huge of a loss.

 

[lame-o]

Yeah! This is great news, because it doesn't affect me at all! Who cares about kids man.

 

[CptStern]

Yeah! This is great news, because it doesn't affect me at all! Who cares about kids man.

exactly the point the other guys are making


and I do have kids who would be affected by this ..not a whole lot mind you but it still sucks when a toy maker decides to develop cartoons ..it's ALWAYS with sucky results, see: Little People, He-man, Power rangers, Care Bears, Strawberry Shortcake, hot wheels etc etc ...all really really crappy television programs with zero educational value

 

[Darkside55]

I'm actually hoping that Hasbro doesn't screw with the programming too much. Wishful thinking, I know, but kids can really use educational programming rather than toy-selling shows.

Also Bacons the new TF cartoon is going to be based off the movies. I'm not too excited for it...they shouldn't have canceled TFA. That show was TOO good.

their first announced kids tv show will be ..."my little pony"

NO! NO OH GOD DOES NO ONE ACTUALLY REMEMBER MY LITTLE PONY FROM THE 80's?!

IT WASN'T CUTE AND CUDDLY AND FOR GIRLS

PEOPLE DIED IN THAT SHOW OH GOD WHY DOES NOBODY REMEMBER THE SMOOZE

it's ALWAYS with sucky results, see: Care Bears...all really really crappy television programs

Oh you son of a bitch. Now you've gone too far.

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

I'm actually hoping that Hasbro doesn't screw with the programming too much. Wishful thinking, I know, but kids can really use educational programming rather than toy-selling shows.

Like I said, there is already a dozen or so television shows that are based for the kids. I have FIOS as my television provider, so I have alot of on demand things, so...

Also Bacons the new TF cartoon is going to be based off the movies. I'm not too excited for it...they shouldn't have canceled TFA. That show was TOO good.

Hmmm, I don't hear of this. It's not on the MB site at all.

In any event, I hated TFA - that show felt like Teen titans, Prime was reduced to nothing and they had Spongebob for Starscream. I liked Bayformers, but there shall only be one Megatron... G1. No one can replicate the raspy, deep voice that Welker did. If Peter Cullen and Frank Welker are in it, I'll be perfectly fine with that. I'd like DR SMOOV to do Starscream.

 

[CptStern]

I'm actually hoping that Hasbro doesn't screw with the programming too much. Wishful thinking, I know, but kids can really use educational programming rather than toy-selling shows.

Also Bacons the new TF cartoon is going to be based off the movies. I'm not too excited for it...they shouldn't have canceled TFA. That show was TOO good.


NO! NO OH GOD DOES NO ONE ACTUALLY REMEMBER MY LITTLE PONY FROM THE 80's?!

IT WASN'T CUTE AND CUDDLY AND FOR GIRLS

PEOPLE DIED IN THAT SHOW OH GOD WHY DOES NOBODY REMEMBER THE SMOOZE

my 3 year old daughter knows my little pony, in fact you cant ****ing not know it because it's plastered between every kids program ..and yes it was just as shitty back in the 80's as it is now. zero educational content whatsoever and when the audience is 3-5 years that's a problem. but you wouldnt understand this because you're not a parent ..you might watch the programs despite being 20 years older than the average viewer, but it's still not targeted at 20 something shutin s living in their mom's basement

Oh you son of a bitch. Now you've gone too far.

I wouldnt brag about liking the carebears because it makes you sound either creepy or weird ..and that's being nice. I've had to watch care bears and I cant even begin to think what could possibly appeal to anyone over the age of 6. I've watched a ton of kids cartoons and they're definately at the rock bottom of the barrel. seriously I've seen cartoons from eastern block countries that are much better produced than the majority of toy based cartoons

 

[Darkside55]

Alright wait, wait. Look, just because you're a parent doesn't always give you the ability to laud it over people who aren't parents, or think that somehow they wouldn't "understand" why a show should have educational content. Not only is that asinine but you're making your parenthood sound like it's granted you some kind of superior insight over people who aren't parents. I have a goddaughter who I've raised as I would my own daughter, and I have several young family members, and I'm very concerned about what they watch.

And furthermore what does your comment even have to do with what I said? I said that My Little Pony back in the 80s was actually a show that wasn't as cute as everyone believes, and you go off on this wild tangent about me not being a parent and how I'm supposedly a basement shut in? Could you be any more condescending or more of an arrogant fuck? You don't even know where I live, bro. You're making goddamned generalizations based off of nothing. I've never even lived in a place that had a basement.

And if you honestly think I give two shits about having watched Care Bears because it's 'creepy' or 'weird,' you've got me wrong. And Care Bears actually had some value, being a cartoon that actually talked about expressing your feelings, and they also used to throw in some educational bits in there. Also it was based off a card line from American Greetings, not a toy line. There wasn't a toy line until after the show took off.

 

[CptStern]

Alright wait, wait. Look, just because you're a parent doesn't always give you the ability to laud it over people who aren't parents, or think that somehow they wouldn't "understand" why a show should have educational content. Not only is that asinine but you're making your parenthood sound like it's granted you some kind of superior insight over people who aren't parents.

well it has hasnt it? if you own a pet would that not make your perspectives on pet ownership that much better than someone who's never owned a pet? if the pilot is unconcious and the over the loudspeaker the stwerdess asks if anyone is qualified to land the jet. whom would you feel safer with?

1. an airline pilot on his way to another stop
2. a hobbyist who's flown in planes, has built several model planes and has on occasion flown a kite


I'm not saying your opinion is entirely invalid, what I am saying is that because you dont have children you cant speak from experience when it comes to parenting. because you've never had to look at it from a parenting pov (and I'm not just talking about not watching shows with boobies) you might not have the best insight into parenting. is this really that odd a concept?

I have a goddaughter who I've raised as I would my own daughter, and I have several young family members, and I'm very concerned about what they watch.

simply interacting/baby sitting a child =/= being a parent. my brothers also have tons of expereince caring for their neices and nephews but would make obvious mistakes that a parent wouldnt overlook.

And furthermore what does your comment even have to do with what I said? I said that My Little Pony back in the 80s was actually a show that wasn't as cute as everyone believes, and you go off on this wild tangent about me not being a parent and how I'm supposedly a basement shut in?

I was answering this point specifically:

IT WASN'T CUTE AND CUDDLY AND FOR GIRLS

that's exactly how it was marketed with little else. just because it had "dark moments" does not make it any more viable as quality kids programming. my comments were made because not being a parent you might not have educational content as your main reasoning as to the quality of the show. your opinionis (about the show) are entirely self-centered whereas a parent would be thinking of their child's needs first

Could you be any more condescending or more of an arrogant fuck? You don't even know where I live, bro. You're making goddamned generalizations based off of nothing.

admittedly I lumped you into the "shutin s living in their mom's basement" catagory mostly because I cant think of any other demographic that would like My Little Pony except it's intended demographic.

And if you honestly think I give two shits about having watched Care Bears because it's 'creepy' or 'weird,' you've got me wrong.

I'm sure I do, seeing as how you're text on a webpage to me. The show is sickly sweet and overly sentimental pap targeted at a 3 year old's level of understanding. all in a coy obvious manner without hiding it's underlying purpose; as a tie in to toys that the company sells.

And Care Bears actually had some value, being a cartoon that actually talked about expressing your feelings,

come on, whom are you trying to kid? I've watched the care bears recently and I still do as my daughter watches it from time to time. the cartoons are annoyingly sentimental pap that's so ham fisted that even kids can see right through it. it's why they usually lose interest around age 5.

there are far better alternatives that dont go out of their way to sell merchandise; dora the explorer, super why, the wiggles, play with me sesame, mr maker, Ni Hao, Kai-lan, Max and Ruby and one of my all time faves: Yo Gabba Gabba:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDG0c3saE4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRw0qL_cCM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NTbvQcYpbQ



there's a shitload of children's entertainment that is miles ahead of the care bears

and they also used to throw in some educational bits in there. Also it was based off a card line from American Greetings, not a toy line. There wasn't a toy line until after the show took off.

a product is a product. the reasoning behind it is still the same

read this:

http://www.amazon.com/Business-Childrens-Entertainment-Norma-Pecora/dp/1572302801

also watch the Corporation; it touches on similiar issues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMDPql6rweo

 

[Vegeta897]

what I am saying is that because you dont have children you cant speak from experience when it comes to parenting

He doesn't need to have experience in parenting to understand the concept of having children's shows that are helpful to their development. You jumped to this conclusion that he must not be able to understand a concept just because he wasn't talking at all about how good the show was. Which he already pointed out to you.

Your analogies fail. He's not saying he can be a good parent without parenting experience. But he CAN understand the concepts behind parenting. Knowing that the shows his kids watch should be helpful to their development is a very basic concept. As basic as knowing to not feed them junk food 24/7.

You're such a colossal troll I'm amazed at how you last here. Making ****ing retarded attacks on Darkside about him living in his parent's basement or something completely unrelated to what's being discussed. Calling everyone else who is not a parent incapable of understanding anything related to parenting.

Get over yourself.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Stern I don't know where you get off responding with genuine scorn and hostility to jokey barbs/perfectly innocent comments

 

[Darkside55]

well it has hasnt it? if you own a pet would that not make your perspectives on pet ownership that much better than someone who's never owned a pet?

I'm not saying your opinion is entirely invalid, what I am saying is that because you dont have children you cant speak from experience when it comes to parenting.

simply interacting/baby sitting a child =/= being a parent.

No, but see, you're making two leaps of faith here: one, that parenting somehow requires you to have actually participated in birthing children to be a parent. Secondly, that all I've done is "interact/babysit." And without actually having ever known me, you just automatically wrote me off because I don't have kids of my own. Because I don't have kids of my own, I could never have...I don't know...known what it is to provide, both monetarily, emotionally, and for periods of time day in day out for a child? Because I don't have kids of my own it's impossible that I've helped raise one? Because I don't have kids of my own you make the jump that the most I've done is interact/babysit?

And your metaphor is flawed anyway. Everybody, even people who've never owned a pet know what pet ownership entails. Furthermore you can't blanket state that EVERY parent behaves or thinks a certain way; what's important for one parent or set of parents might not be important to others; in a discussion like this where we're talking about the educational value of television, you can't say that all parents would even give a shit what their children watch. You're saying, "you wouldn't understand why it's a problem if children's programming marketed to kids ages 3-5 doesn't have educational value," well shit man, do you think all parents know that? Or even care? And furthermore don't you think that anyone, parent or not, couldn't objectively look at something and say, "Oh, well considering that my kid is going to be in their formative years around this time, I'd want them watching this show versus this show?" That's not some kind of divine knowledge bestowed upon you when you BECOME a parent.

Hell man I barely ever have my goddaughter watching TV, and she just turned seven last month. We watch movies sometimes, but I encourage her to get most of her educational content from books, just like I have my nieces and nephews. It's nice when, even when I don't see them that often, they come up to me and tell me what they've been reading.

that's exactly how it was marketed with little else. just because it had "dark moments" does not make it any more viable as quality kids programming. my comments were made because not being a parent you might not have educational content as your main reasoning as to the quality of the show. your opinions (about the show) are entirely self-centered whereas a parent would be thinking of their child's needs first

I would think that a parent should be concerned whether or not he's giving his child nightmare fuel. Do YOU remember the smooze? That shit ate everything. Devoured whole lands, people, and civilizations. Also in the movie the only ponies that could stop it were the Flutter Ponies, and when asked for help they flat-out told the regular ponies, "No." What kind of message is that? Also in that movie everyone gives Lickety Split a bunch of shit and it's absolutely horrible.

Also the series had things like torture, the merponies tried to drown the regular ponies (I am completely serious; those "Shoo-bee-doo" aquatic ponies? They tried to DROWN the other ones), big bad evils and all kinds of stuff. There was one villain who threatened to kill those bushwoolies (I think that's what they were called) by throwing them into a pit if she didn't get what she wanted. I remember that episode.

Furthermore, just because I make a comment about one aspect of a single show, you shouldn't make such a giant leap that, "OH HE'S ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT HIS OWN OPINIONS AND NOT WHAT A PARENT WOULD WANT IN THEIR CHILDREN'S PROGRAMMING." I mean really, just above my comments about MLP I stated how I think kids need more educational programming than shows that sell toys. Shit man I was in that mourning thread for Reading Rainbow and everything.

admittedly I lumped you into the "shutin s living in their mom's basement" catagory mostly because I cant think of any other demographic that would like My Little Pony except it's intended demographic

Your knowledge of demographics is pretty narrow then. Besides, once again, GUY WHO GREW UP IN THE EIGHTIES. You know what we had in the 80s? They lifted the ban on half-hour-long commercials and that's where all these toy-selling shows came from. Let's think. How could a guy...who grew up in a time when My Little Pony came out...have watched My Little Pony? GEE, I DUNNO, GEORGE. And it's utterly impossible that I remember these shows that were ingrained into my memory from childhood, and there's also no way I could be feeling a bit nostalgic and pop onto youtube and see if my nostalgia glasses have failed me. None of that requires you to live in a basement.

come on, whom are you trying to kid? I've watched the care bears recently and I still do as my daughter watches it from time to time.

There's more than one series of Care Bears. If you've been watching the show RECENTLY then you've been watching Adventures in Care-a-Lot, which isn't the same as the original series. And anyway, heaven forbid something be "sweet" and "overly sentimental" given that some people grow up with the emotional development of a banana slug. The show is, yes, very cutesy with bright colors and an often heavy-handed messages, but it's also humorous and the messages ARE important ones.

Also the original show was awesome. Had cool stories and music and even taught me how to bake cookies as a kid, and what the word "homogenous" meant. Also, Dark Heart.

there are far better alternatives that dont go out of their way to sell merchandise; dora the explorer

HAHAHAHAHA WHAT

WHAT

are you serious? You listed DORA THE EXPLORER? As in "Buy all of my different doll variations" Dora the Explorer? As in "I'm grown up now and being marketed to tweens as a socially and environmentally-conscious role model but all I'm ever seen doing is shopping and decorating my room" Dora the Explorer? Stern, Care Bears doesn't even HAVE as much merchandise as Dora does. I will say this: NEITHER show ever actually advertises their products on the show, but if you walk into any toy store there's a clear disparity in the amount of CB merchandise to Dora merchandise. And as I mentioned before, tween Dora is horrible. She's nothing more than a marketing machine.

Actually we had a thread about that awhile back, I recall.

Nihao Kai Lan is cute; she's got some merchandise too, but hers actually has all the phrases in English and Chinese if you squeeze her hand. There's no "Fairy Princess Kai Lan," that I've ever seen.

You know what show was good? (I'm reminded of it talking about these kids shows) Ellen's Acres. They canceled it though. Came on too early, I think. Good show, it was all about using your imagination.

 

[Acepilotf14]

I scrolled really fast down the page and saw 'Care Bears' and a sassy remark by Darkside, and knew shit was going to go down.

 

[Darkside55]

For seriouz.

 

[CptStern]

No, but see, you're making two leaps of faith here: one, that parenting somehow requires you to have actually participated in birthing children to be a parent.

and when did I say that? having kids of your own doesnt necessarily mean they come from your loins or else there'd be no such thing as adoptive parent

Secondly, that all I've done is "interact/babysit."

why dont you just tell me what level of experinece you have instead of just repeating what I said?

And without actually having ever known me, you just automatically wrote me off because I don't have kids of my own. Because I don't have kids of my own, I could never have...I don't know...known what it is to provide, both monetarily, emotionally, and for periods of time day in day out for a child?

"for periods of time" ya well for parents it's 24/7 for the rest of their lives. it's not "drop in when mom needs a hand with baby sis, oh look I helped change a diaper"

Because I don't have kids of my own it's impossible that I've helped raise one?

ya so? my brother "helps" ..that doesnt make him a parent. he still has to ask how to deal with things that every/parent learns from year one

Because I don't have kids of my own you make the jump that the most I've done is interact/babysit?

you just said "help" what else could that mean? have you ever had to wait for 3 hours in a roomful of screaming children, irritated parents just to get your kids vaccinated for a virus that they'll most likely never come into contact with? have you ever had to advocate on your child's behalf to force the school board to provide services and programs that is within their chartered mandate? have you ever had to make life changing decisions that affected the well being and happiness of your child? have you ever had to think long term and be proactive about shaping your child's future? simply doing the menial day to day chores associated with having kids is NOT parenting. you can certainly play a role in raising a sibling but you dont have any of the responsibilities the worries the stress that a parent does. when the shit hits the fan (literally) you can pass the child over to it's parents because it's NOT yours

And your metaphor is flawed anyway. Everybody, even people who've never owned a pet know what pet ownership entails.

feed, walks etc ..ya sure anyone can come up with a general list of of how to care for a pet. however that doesnt prepare you spending $3000 in 2 years on something that isnt easily diagnosed. that doesnt prepare you the making the decision as to whether you dump another $3000 on something that there might not yield results so the alternative is death's release at the end of a syringe. ya sure you can examine this list with cold impartiality and think to yourself ya sure I can do this ...except a child isnt a pet

Furthermore you can't blanket state that EVERY parent behaves or thinks a certain way; what's important for one parent or set of parents might not be important to others; in a discussion like this where we're talking about the educational value of television, you can't say that all parents would even give a shit what their children watch.

when did I say that? the point wasnt whether only a parent can identify crap when he sees it but rather that a parent will be able to make an informed (right or wrong) decision based on the needs of their child; it's by definition a self-less act, whereas you like Care bears for the sake of liking it

You're saying, "you wouldn't understand why it's a problem if children's programming marketed to kids ages 3-5 doesn't have educational value," well shit man, do you think all parents know that?

whether it's true or not is NOT the point. parent will have far better insight into what their kid should watch. especially at that age when they cant effectively communicate their desires. seriously when's the last time you were around a 3 year old? or a toddler, or a baby?

Or even care? And furthermore don't you think that anyone, parent or not, couldn't objectively look at something and say, "Oh, well considering that my kid is going to be in their formative years around this time, I'd want them watching this show versus this show?" That's not some kind of divine knowledge bestowed upon you when you BECOME a parent.

yet you failed to see this because you think Care bears is an example of good children's programming. you kind of prove my point

Hell man I barely ever have my goddaughter watching TV, and she just turned seven last month.

you're with her 24/7? you're the main care provider? how many teeth does she have? I know, and my kids dont even have their adult teeth. what size are her shows, what's her fave colour? who's her hero? what's her favourite story book, what's her fave snuggle toy. when is bath night?

We watch movies sometimes, but I encourage her to get most of her educational content from books, just like I have my nieces and nephews. It's nice when, even when I don't see them that often, they come up to me and tell me what they've been reading.

ok that's nice but that's not parenting. that's being an uncle. I'm also an uncle to my neice and nephew but I'm not their parent nor do I act like I am

I would think that a parent should be concerned whether or not he's giving his child nightmare fuel.

everything has that potential. my daughter was deathly afraid of this character:

Do YOU remember the smooze? That shit ate everything. Devoured whole lands, people, and civilizations. Also in the movie the only ponies that could stop it were the Flutter Ponies, and when asked for help they flat-out told the regular ponies, "No." What kind of message is that? Also in that movie everyone gives Lickety Split a bunch of shit and it's absolutely horrible.

................. ok

Also the series had things like torture, the merponies tried to drown the regular ponies (I am completely serious; those "Shoo-bee-doo" aquatic ponies? They tried to DROWN the other ones), big bad evils and all kinds of stuff. There was one villain who threatened to kill those bushwoolies (I think that's what they were called) by throwing them into a pit if she didn't get what she wanted. I remember that episode.

.......ok .....sounds kinda gay

Furthermore, just because I make a comment about one aspect of a single show, you shouldn't make such a giant leap that, "OH HE'S ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT HIS OWN OPINIONS AND NOT WHAT A PARENT WOULD WANT IN THEIR CHILDREN'S PROGRAMMING." I mean really, just above my comments about MLP I stated how I think kids need more educational programming than shows that sell toys. Shit man I was in that mourning thread for Reading Rainbow and everything.

ok ....but you're the one who jumped in because you took offense to what I said about MLP and Care bears. you cant bitch about that because you asked for this debate

Your knowledge of demographics is pretty narrow then. Besides, once again, GUY WHO GREW UP IN THE EIGHTIES. You know what we had in the 80s? They lifted the ban on half-hour-long commercials and that's where all these toy-selling shows came from. Let's think. How could a guy...who grew up in a time when My Little Pony came out...have watched My Little Pony? GEE, I DUNNO, GEORGE.

little girls?

And it's utterly impossible that I remember these shows that were ingrained into my memory from childhood, and there's also no way I could be feeling a bit nostalgic and pop onto youtube and see if my nostalgia glasses have failed me. None of that requires you to live in a basement.

true but they usually go hand in hand

a stereotype is a stereotype for a reason; there's always some truth to it :E

There's more than one series of Care Bears. If you've been watching the show RECENTLY then you've been watching Adventures in Care-a-Lot, which isn't the same as the original series.

no. I have a channel called teletoon retro. they play the old episodes, along with the Superfriends, Batman and Robin (featuring Batmite), Smurfs, scooby doo etc etc etc

And anyway, heaven forbid something be "sweet" and "overly sentimental" given that some people grow up with the emotional development of a banana slug. The show is, yes, very cutesy with bright colors and an often heavy-handed messages, but it's also humorous and the messages ARE important ones.

I have no problem with sentimentality in kids shows. just watch the Wiggles or Max and Ruby or Yp Gabba Gabba. My Little Pony is crap in comparison; old and new. just watch the shows I've listed

Also the original show was awesome. Had cool stories and music and even taught me how to bake cookies as a kid, and what the word "homogenous" meant. Also, Dark Heart.

you baked cookies by yourself? anyways it's not cool, the stories are not well written and your memory is clouded by nostaligia. the stories are inane, the characters are annoying and the music is derivative. really just click on on eof the yo gabba gabba videos I've posted

are you serious? You listed DORA THE EXPLORER? As in "Buy all of my different doll variations" Dora the Explorer? As in "I'm grown up now and being marketed to tweens as a socially and environmentally-conscious role model but all I'm ever seen doing is shopping and decorating my room" Dora the Explorer? Stern, Care Bears doesn't even HAVE as much merchandise as Dora does.

that happened after the fact it was never done by design. and really your faux mockery is silly as all cartoons have toys associated with them. they dont all start as toys with the goal of marketing them in an animated tv program. really your outrage is misplaced:

"Dora the Explorer" developers use psychologist Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences as a guidepost for the show curriculum. Gardner's theory holds that humans exhibit seven kinds of intelligence, and that educational endeavors need to address all types of intelligence in the target group to be successful.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/how-dora-the-explorer-works2.htm

I will say this: NEITHER show ever actually advertises their products on the show, but if you walk into any toy store there's a clear disparity in the amount of CB merchandise to Dora merchandise. And as I mentioned before, tween Dora is horrible. She's nothing more than a marketing machine.

ok but what does that have to do with the educational value of the show?

Nihao Kai Lan is cute; she's got some merchandise too, but hers actually has all the phrases in English and Chinese if you squeeze her hand. There's no "Fairy Princess Kai Lan," that I've ever seen.

the merchandise have absolutely nothing to do with the educational value of the show. those companies pay royalties to license the character. your point is moot

 

[Vegeta897]

It's funny how stern misses the point of everything Darkside is saying when he dissects his posts. This whole parenting argument is ****ing useless and stupid. It was started when Stern assumed that Darkside being fond of a show meant that he thought it was a good show for kids to watch. You're getting into a whole ****ing thing about whether Darkside has the skills to be a good parent or not WHEN IT'S ALL ****ING IRRELEVANT TO THE FACT THAT ANYONE PARENT OR NOT CAN UNDERSTAND THAT SHOWS THAT ARE EDUCATION AND GOOD FOR KIDS ARE SOMETHING THEY SHOULD WANT THEIR KIDS TO WATCH JESUS ****ING CHRIST STOP ARGUING BESIDE THE POINT

 

[Viperidae]

Stern? Totally missing the point? Derailing the argument to another unprovable one? Never.

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

Holy ****ing shit!!! What the shit thread did I just roll my funk train into? Did a toy company buy a station on the Teevee or did Obama sign a bill mandating circumcision?

 

[Dog--]

exactly the point the other guys are making


and I do have kids who would be affected by this ..not a whole lot mind you but it still sucks when a toy maker decides to develop cartoons ..it's ALWAYS with sucky results, see: Little People, He-man, Power rangers, Care Bears, Strawberry Shortcake, hot wheels etc etc ...all really really crappy television programs with zero educational value

Who gives a shit if it's not educational, how many educational shows did you watch when you were a kid? Hell, I'm only 18 and I didn't even have educational television. My sister and her 1 year old son live with me and I have to watch him almost every single day, if it's entertaining and shuts the kid up for 30 minutes, everyone is happy, I couldn't care less if he's learning anything, that's what school is for, TV is to relax and get entertained.

 

[The Monkey]

Jesus Christ, Stern, take it easy.

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

Holy ****ing shit!!! What the shit thread did I just roll my funk train into? Did a toy company buy a station on the Teevee or did Obama sign a bill mandating circumcision?

This.

lol, now how bout' that new channel guise? :arms:

I just want to see if the new TF cartoon is a reboot of Generation 1, but with a new story and some different characters thrown into the mix. :O

 

[Dog--]

They should just remake in live action amirite guise?

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

I could cook my steak over this thread D:

 

[Darkside55]

why dont you just tell me what level of experinece you have instead of just repeating what I said?

I keep saying I have a goddaughter, Stern. One in which I take a very proactive stance in her life. I was there before she was born, I was there at her mother's side in lieu of her father while she was being born, I was there after she was born, and seven years later I'm still there. This isn't "helping mom out with baby sis"...particularly since I don't even have any siblings. The only nieces and nephews I have are technically second cousins. And in any case my "level of experience" really doesn't matter at all in this discussion, it's really just arbitrary information you're trying to glean in order to see whether or not you can throw around your "LOOK AT ME, I'M A PARENT, I'M A PARENT" status. As stated earlier, by myself and others, the context of this thread really doesn't REQUIRE you to be a parent, or have parenting experience, to participate. You can have a mix of emotions about a toy company acquiring a television channel without actually being a parent; similarly different parents might have different opinions. Again, even asking me to detail my experience in child rearing to you is like telling me "If you don't meet X requirement then somehow your opinion is worth less than mine because KIDS KIDS KIDS DID I MENTION I HAVE KIDS LIKE I'VE MENTIONED FOR YEARS ACROSS THIRTY-SIX THOUSAND POSTS KIDS KIDS KIDS."

feed, walks etc ..ya sure anyone can come up with a general list of of how to care for a pet. however that doesnt prepare you spending $3000 in 2 years on something that isnt easily diagnosed. that doesnt prepare you the making the decision as to whether you dump another $3000 on something that there might not yield results so the alternative is death's release at the end of a syringe. ya sure you can examine this list with cold impartiality and think to yourself ya sure I can do this ...except a child isnt a pet

Ok wait. First off...people know pets are expensive. Trips to the vet are expensive. Anyone could tell you this. Anyone. People without pets can tell you this. And anyone with a little empathy could weigh in on whether you want to spend that kind of money...I mean where are you going with this, man? I said that people without pets can tell you what pet ownership entails and you come back at me with "Yeah but they couldn't tell you how to prepare for spending $6000 vs. getting your pet euthanized." Well how the hell would a pet owner be able to tell another pet owner how to prepare for that either?! I mean jesus christ even people without pets would know that pet owners love their pets like family. This isn't uncommon knowledge. And hell it's a decision that's not just based on empathy but on practicality; if you've got a creature suffering and you can't afford to drop the money on it, what are you going to do? And if you can squeeze the money but you'd have to sacrifice for other priorities, well then in the end not even another pet owner can weigh in on that, can they? You can give your own opinions from personal experience...but that doesn't necessarily mean your opinion will affect them from doing what they need to do. Just because you own a pet doesn't automatically make you the pet expert and that somehow your voice rings in over everyone else's.

Also, the way you ended it, "...except a child isn't a pet," what were you trying to say there? Because here you are talking about "Nothing can prepare you for spending all this money on a pet vs. death by syringe...except a child isn't a pet." Well holy shit I don't think anything could prepare me for a situation where I'd either have to spend $6000 to save my child's life versus DEATH BY SYRINGE.

And because I know you're not very good with sarcasm, yes, Stern, I know this isn't what you meant. No need to quote me.

the point wasnt whether only a parent can identify crap when he sees it but rather that a parent will be able to make an informed (right or wrong) decision based on the needs of their child; it's by definition a self-less act, whereas you like Care bears for the sake of liking it

But again, you make it sound as if every parent can--and will--make an INFORMED decision. And that simply isn't true. You ask where you said that; you said it just there, again. "A parent will be able to make an informed (right or wrong) decision based on the needs of their child," to which I replied, "you can't blanket state that EVERY parent behaves or thinks a certain way; what's important for one parent or set of parents might not be important to others; in a discussion like this where we're talking about the educational value of television, you can't say that all parents would even give a shit what their children watch."

Again, this stuff isn't divinely imparted to you. Nor is it written down in a manual somewhere. You don't just become a parent and then automatically "Oh I know what my child should and shouldn't be watching because now I'm a parent and I'm making selfless decisions where I couldn't before." You make it sound as if no one except for a parent can look at a show and think "I want my kids to watch this," or "I don't want my kids to watch this," and that somehow they'd be completely oblivious to the needs of a child versus their own opinion of the show. That is really, really asinine. Again, you're not granted any mystical insight; please, stop pretending that you are.

seriously when's the last time you were around a 3 year old? or a toddler, or a baby?

Once again, another probe into whether or not I'm qualified to participate with you in this discussion. Jesus christ. I'll humor you, I haven't been around a 3 year old in about a month. Maybe it was two months. I don't have too many younger cousins left. But again, this is just arbitrary information, pretty much unnecessary to the conversation.

And just an aside...if a three year old can't "effectively communicate their desires," they're not being taught very well. Almost all the children in my family could speak insanely well at three years old, barring one who had an inner ear problem. Even so, he could still communicate what he wanted at THREE. I mean I was speaking sentences at ten months and now I'm seeing these ads for teaching your baby how to read at three months.

Also as another aside, why did you bring up babies and toddlers? Babies and toddlers shouldn't really be watching that much TV. They should be exercising their minds away from the boob tube. Some TV is fine for toddlers; I started watching stuff at 2.

yet you failed to see this because you think Care bears is an example of good children's programming. you kind of prove my point

I was raised watching Care Bears. I never missed it. I watched it in my formative years from 2 and up. It was good programming, as evident by the fact that I'm well adjusted, moderately (previously fabulously, goddamn recession) successful, and that I'm not on here calling other people basement dwelling shut ins that live with their mother, lauding my adventures in child rearing over other peoples' heads, or attacking people based off their random comments about a television show with wild, sweeping blockquote posts haranguing them for not being parents.

Not saying that Care Bears contributed to any of that, but well, it certainly didn't hurt. For a show about respecting other people's feelings it certainly taught me the value of not being a gigantic, baying jackass.

how many teeth does she have? I know, and my kids dont even have their adult teeth.

She's seven, so she has a fair number of permanent teeth. Also if your kids don't have their adult teeth and haven't lost any, I also know how many they have: twenty. You have twenty teeth from two-and-a-half to six years old.

what size are her shoes

12.

what's her fave colour?

Purple. Deep, royal purple. Not lavender, not mulberry or any of that bullshit, PURPLE. The color of royalty. Just like mine. A fact which, once I mentioned it to her that my favorite color is also purple, and that it had been my decision to always have her get purple clothes, and that I'd buying her purple clothing since before she was even born, she gave me this look like "Are you just copying me?" I'll always remember that look. Makes me smile.

who's her hero?

ME.

ok ....but you're the one who jumped in because you took offense to what I said about MLP and Care bears. you cant bitch about that because you asked for this debate

Oh, Stern, if ever I voluntarily ASK for a debate with you, it's time for me to haul myself out and build myself an elaborate death trap. An acid steaming, blades gleaming, lasers beaming final night cap DEATH TRAP. Because I have obviously lost my fucking mind and have willingly dragged myself into a multiquote battle with the infuriating persona behind the computer screen that is YOU. And by god I deserve to put myself to death for that.

But no, believe me, I didn't ask for a debate with you. For one I wasn't offended by what you said about MLP, I made an offhand comment about how nightmarish the show is. And while I you got my ire about what you said about Care Bears, lord, I didn't want it to turn out like THIS. Ugh. I never want it to turn out like this. Arguing with you is akin to slamming my head into a pressure vise. It's so maddening refuting everything you say, and all these goddamned QUOTES

FUCK OFF QUOTES

you baked cookies by yourself? anyways it's not cool, the stories are not well written and your memory is clouded by nostaligia. the stories are inane, the characters are annoying and the music is derivative.

Yep, learned how to bake. Also I went back and watched like, all the old episodes on Youtube. My nostalgia was not clouded; the stories are still fun. It's actually one of the few cartoons I can say that actually lived up to my recollection of it.

that happened after the fact it was never done by design. and really your faux mockery is silly as all cartoons have toys associated with them. they dont all start as toys with the goal of marketing them in an animated tv program.

Yeah, okay. It's silly when I do it, because Dora the Explorer's dolls, cosmetics, hygiene products, ride-ons, books, board games, apparel, handbags, play tents, play kitchens, DVDs, etc. happened AFTER THE FACT. But oh jeez, when one of the cartoons that I mention has merchandise attached to it beforehand, let's go and attack that. Nice differentiation that allows you to have a double standard, Stern.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/how-dora-the-explorer-works2.htm

Several of the things listed in there, Care Bears does too. They had shows about exercise and speaking in several languages. Anyway, it's not like I'm bashing the educational value of Dora the Explorer or squaring it off point-for-point against a show I think is good. I think Dora is a great show, I really do. I've never said anything bad about the show except for the marketing behind it, WHICH CAME AS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOU ATTACKING SHOWS I HAVE MENTIONED BECAUSE OF THEIR MERCHANDISE. You seem to be forgetting the chain of events here. You say that Care Bears goes out of its way to sell merchandise, which it doesn't, and point out Dora the Explorer, to which I laugh and point out how much more merchandise it has. And then I went on to say, "Neither show really markets its merchandise," and here you come quoting me and saying "Well her merchandise was after the fact, who cares if Dora is now just a marketing machine, it doesn't say anything about the educational value of the show!" And you know what? I never said it did.

I never said it did.

And this is precisely why I hate arguing with you. You attribute to me "points" that I never brought up, for you to render "moot" as if in the hope that someone reading these tl;dr arguments and bypass that fact, or even worse, that I might somehow forget what I said. I never once said that the merchandising of Dora the Explorer somehow lessened or undermined the educational value of a show; that is an argument you attributed to me by yourself.

In the land of e-Arguments, you are the King of Straw Men.

 

[Viperidae]

So much work Dark, but will it be worth it?

I salute thee.

 

[PvtRyan]

See, this is why I still come to this place. I do love my Darkside-Stern feuds.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Nice argument, but was the singing really necessary?

 

[Shyam]

exactly the point the other guys are making


and I do have kids who would be affected by this ..not a whole lot mind you but it still sucks when a toy maker decides to develop cartoons ..it's ALWAYS with sucky results, see: Little People, He-man, Power rangers, Care Bears, Strawberry Shortcake, hot wheels etc etc ...all really really crappy television programs with zero educational value

If you are concerned, there is always the option of letting your kids not watch television at all.

O.K. that's a bad idea.

 

[Darkside55]

Nice argument, but was the singing really necessary?

<3char

 

[Shyam]

Stern? Totally missing the point? Derailing the argument to another unprovable one? Never.

Sterns posts feel incomplete, maybe it's the America is evilz comments.

 

[huntingbear]

my god....when stern and dark are in a thread together it's like a cat and a dog....in a tub of water......in hell

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

Time to bring out the chickens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D35uQCtr4EY

 

[huntingbear]

lol gotta be the asshat that points out...those are roosters

aside from that +rep to /\ for cool video

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

They should just remake in live action amirite guise?

Only if that live ashten remake is GEE WON. Michael Bay is irrevelant here, brah. :thumbs:

**** explosions/megan fox/etc, I want me some Stan Bush/Lion/Vince DiCola 80's music, none of that Linkin Park BS on my live ashtens as well.

 

[The Monkey]

Time to bring out the chickens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D35uQCtr4EY

That is one of the best videos of all time!