Vortigant Destiny...

[Ophiguris]

AFTER (if) the combine are ver destroyed or chased off the face of the earth, what will happen to our vortigant friends??? Sure they've been at good terms with us for atleast 10 years, but after a government is re-established, what will become of the vortigants??? Will they have less rights than the rest of us??? Will they have rights??? Will they be slaughtered??? It's alot like the 'new world' of 1600-1700, French come, help Hurons destroy Irroquois, and then destroy Hurons... or something like that... the thing is mostly about racism and what humanity thinks about the vortigants... Gordon killed how many in HL1, but now, they have no problem recharging his suit, or defending Black Mesa East... Maybe it's because of they're common enemy; "Is My Enemy's Enemy My Enemy or My Friend?". In short, I'm asking what will happen as that 'common enemy' is destroyed.

 

[ríomhaire]

I have no idea whatsoever.

 

[Ophiguris]

yeah, it's confusing...

 

[Gordon-Shepherd]

well seeing as I think the majority of humans have had their asses saved in a very direct way by vorts, they should have at least equal rights. of course there will always be narrow minded fools who look in the past and what happened at black mesa, and as we all know racists are stupid so they'll probably hate the vortigaunts despite the knowledge that they were under the control of the nihilanth.

also, mega-bible-bashing christians will be against them too probably, they're probably against everything. if they're still alive. but even together these guys dont make up a majority of the population. so they'll just get into street fights with vortigaunts and get clawed/kentucky fried to death, most likely.


a fitting end, I guess.

 

[kupocake]

They could go back to Xen. Or get Visas and work in the jobs that the laziest of humans wouldn't do even if their arses weren't supported by the welfare state.

Until they realise that they can be utilised as a massive and effective communications industry. Vortcom it'd be called. They stand in little phone-box structures in the street and people go up to them and ask them to send a message to someone they know, for a fee. Then, the vorts use the vortesence and contact all the other vorts until they find one near the client's friend. Like giant global wireless email, and very eco friendly too. Could be essential in the reconstruction of the earth, though as phone boxes are frequently vandalised, so too are the Vortiguants mistreated.

 

[Darkside55]

Yeah but then you'd have to have vortigaunts hanging around everywhere for everyone you'd want to get in touch with. It's not feasible. You'd have vortigaunts just standing around on the street flagging people down, or your vortigaunt neighbor would come knocking on your door all the time, or people might even take to hiring a vortigaunt to live in their house and receive their calls.

I predict that if the Combine are ever forced off the Earth for good, the vortigaunts will likely split into two groups: those who elect to remain on Earth, and those who return to Xen (if at all possible, as they ARE stranded). In the aftermath of the Combine, no one will be discriminating against the vortigaunts. People have been allied with them for far too long, and vice-versa. And in the wake of so much bloodshed no one will be eager to get into another fight with anybody for a very, very long time.

 

[kupocake]

or people might even take to hiring a vortigaunt to live in their house and receive their calls.

I'd hire me a Vortiguant Secretary in the office. I could seriously see them being useful in the higher echelons of power in this way, but yes, their domestic use is rather less believeable

edit: Vortiguant Secretaries would be overall better for Human productivity and marriage. You'd have to have a strange fetish to flirt and have an affair with a Vortiguant. Or am I simply being racist, and would the earth eventually be open to Human / Vortiguant relationships?

 

[Darkside55]

I'm sure eventually somebody would find a vortigaunt attractive enough to date.

But then, how would you know if you're dating a vortigaunt male or a vortigaunt female? YOU WOULDN'T. D:

 

[kupocake]

But then, how would you know if you're dating a vortigaunt male or a vortigaunt female? YOU WOULDN'T. D:

From what we saw in HL2 = Episodes, there either aren't vort sexes or we haven't seen the females yet. Unless all Vort females have really unsexy Jamaican voices

 

[function9]

there either aren't vort sexes or we haven't seen the females yet.

They're in the kitchen where women should be.

 

[ríomhaire]

I was tired when I wrote my earlier post, I'll make a proper one now.

Humans will undoubtedly be indebted to the Vortigaunts and they would probably get a good place in society. But (unlike the Vortigaunts') human memory can be quite short and soon people would begin to wonder why those damn aliens get such a cosy life when they have to work. Hate would build up, maybe not through the majority but through a sizable minority. The Vortigaunts would possibly not understand this, the memory (as all memories seem to be for them) of the defeat of the Combine and the g-man together is still fresh in their minds but only a story for humans. They could end up living away from humans for that reason or seek another world, perhaps their homeworld or Xen. That said, the could possibly just leave once the Combine where no longer a threat.

 

[Inyssius Grey]

**Feh. Edited for incoherency. Watch this space for when I get some sleep.**

 

[Ashitaka]

I actually think that they'll get a reasonable place in society, or move back to Xen. Take, Rebel Phil for example. Fought alongside the Vorts, been saved by them. He passes this onto his grandchildren, and so on. I doubt we will go attack another thinking being, even if their helping us falls to stories.

Vorts will probably move back to Xen anyway.

 

[Ophiguris]

a message to someone they know, for a fee. Then, the vorts use the vortesence and contact all the other vorts until they find one near the client's friend. Like giant global wireless email, and very eco friendly too. QUOTE]


1) E-mails are free already, so, who would pay???

2) Looking for the nearest vort could take a while, not to mention, might be innacurrate.

3) The internet is already eco friendly. This benefit of 'Vortcom' is invalid. Plus, how do they get fed???

 

[Inyssius Grey]

Combine broke teh internets. Remember those radios?

 

[kupocake]

1) E-mails are free already, so, who would pay???

Because of course, every man and his dog on post combine occupied earth owns a computer, and the Combine ISP doesn't charge a penny for using a service that allows humans to communicate with each other and plot behind their backs. Chances are, the net was the first thing the Combine did away with, and the phone network has died.

2) Looking for the nearest vort could take a while, not to mention, might be innacurrate.

Finding a phone box has the same problems, yet. We don't know enough about the vorts to call them inaccurate or accurate.

3) The internet is already eco friendly. This benefit of 'Vortcom' is invalid. Plus, how do they get fed???

Phonelines and Computers don't run off of thin air, magic or the pure essence of love. They require electricity, and Power Stations are massive polluters. Then they'd have to put all the wiring back in, as communications have clearly been destroyed. Vortiguants eat headcrabs apparently, and no one will care if they feast on the buggers. Their electricity doesn't appear to have a bi-product.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

But with Vortiguants as our slaves we could have an unlimited source of energy.















Why are all the three-armed brown guys looking at me like that?

 

[Gordon-Shepherd]

Phonelines and Computers don't run off of the pure essence of love.

though someday...:upstare:

 

[Ophiguris]

Combine broke teh internets. Remember those radios?

Knowing what DR.Kleiner and Eli can do, converting Combine Computer consoles would be easy. The internet Might be a bit tricky, but do not forget, the internet has NO physical building, it's mostly just satellites and radio waves... Satellites being destroyed, doesn't rule out the fact that they may be re-launched

 

[Ophiguris]

Because of course, every man and his dog on post combine occupied earth owns a computer, and the Combine ISP doesn't charge a penny for using a service that allows humans to communicate with each other and plot behind their backs. Chances are, the net was the first thing the Combine did away with, and the phone network has died.

Finding a phone box has the same problems, yet. We don't know enough about the vorts to call them inaccurate or accurate.

Phonelines and Computers don't run off of thin air, magic or the pure essence of love. They require electricity, and Power Stations are massive polluters. Then they'd have to put all the wiring back in, as communications have clearly been destroyed. Vortiguants eat headcrabs apparently, and no one will care if they feast on the buggers. Their electricity doesn't appear to have a bi-product.

Ok, I don't mean to double post, but in this instance, I must.

When I refer to taking a while to find the nearest vort, I mean contacting the nearest Vort to the client's destination.

Vorts have much BETTER uses for their Vortessence like military coordination, and navigation, recon, and technological developement updates. Not to mention (as we hear from Vort one in Route Canal) "that's all we can spare" I believe he refers to the possible fact, that healing requires Energy, like Mana, on a business day, you'll need lot's of vorts. Vorts need money to feed the kids. Human Economy DOESN'T have enough money to pay for Vort shifts. regardless. The ghetto radios seem to serve Humanity Well.

By now, if you havent' noticed, Humanity (In Black Mesa East) use Vorts to power generators (seen as you go down the elevator). This means, Vorts could use LESS evergy to give the Internet electricity, and even if that takes too much energy, remember that Dam in water hazard? Oh sorry, ALL those dams and power complexs which DO NOT produce smoke? After the tera forming units are taken out, the climate SHOULD return to normal and rain enough to fill the canals with water for Hydro Electric Energy. Evantually.

Even in the regards of Mana, Vortessence might not require energy, Vorts make much better mechanics, trainers, and soldiers than simple telephone operators.

 

[Narvi]

Are you aware of the infrastructure required to have a working internet? You're wrong anyway. The Internet can easily be destroyed by a hypothetical world war. Servers... lots of other big words... anyway, data is stuck in physical bits, like hard drives. It isn't just "floating around", ready for some enterpreneur to pluck it out of the air. Not to mention the Resistance appears to have advanced slightly in computer science, so you'd have to reprogram most of the surplus computers from before the war.

 

[Gordon-Shepherd]

Knowing what DR.Kleiner and Eli can do, converting Combine Computer consoles would be easy. The internet Might be a bit tricky, but do not forget, the internet has NO physical building, it's mostly just satellites and radio waves... Satellites being destroyed, doesn't rule out the fact that they may be re-launched

THE THING KLEINER IS BUILDING IN THE EP2 TRAILER IS A SATELLITE! HE'S GOING TO REBUILD TEH INTERWEBS! cant you see! there are no children, the internet will be a paradise.... imagine halo 2 without children... see what I'm getting at here?:cheers:

 

[kupocake]

When I refer to taking a while to find the nearest vort, I mean contacting the nearest Vort to the client's destination.

That was understood (over a week ago) and addressed (over a week ago).

Vorts have much BETTER uses for their Vortessence like military coordination, and navigation, recon, and technological developement updates.

I wasn't ruling this use out (nearly two weeks ago)

I'd hire me a Vortiguant Secretary in the office. I could seriously see them being useful in the higher echelons of power in this way, but yes, their domestic use is rather less believeable

The ghetto radios seem to serve Humanity Well.

For communications within the same city. I'm talking global.

By now, if you havent' noticed, Humanity (In Black Mesa East) use Vorts to power generators (seen as you go down the elevator). This means, Vorts could use LESS evergy to give the Internet electricity

Why transfer energy from one mechanism to another when you can just use the first mechanism to do the job for you, and don't have to go around constructing an entire network of seconday mechanisms? That's highly inefficient.

and even if that takes too much energy, remember that Dam in water hazard? Oh sorry, ALL those dams and power complexs which DO NOT produce smoke? After the tera forming units are taken out, the climate SHOULD return to normal and rain enough to fill the canals with water for Hydro Electric Energy. Evantually.

Renewable energy sources account for a tiny, tiny percentage of overall power output. Hydro electricity is among the better sources, but is highly dependent on enough water and the right geography to ensure falling water. It's virtually useless in flat countries or countries without the space to spare (for instance, Bangladesh and the UK). Also, Hydro-electricity is a massive problem in environmental terms, as it requires the creations of massive, unnatural bodies of water behind the dams. The creation of sufficient hydro-electricity to power operations in the rainforests of Brazil has seen the flooding of tens of thousands of square kilometers of land. Most renewable sources have some kind of detrimental effect to the environment - if only visual - and many are also very inefficient.

You may want to go back to the beginning of the thread (two weeks ago) and ask yourself when this was actually a serious debate.

 

[Headcrab Pie]

Quote( Gordon killed how many in HL1, but now, they have no problem recharging his suit, or defending Black Mesa East... ) Unquote.
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Well when he did kill them, they were slaves to the Nahillith, turtured and stuff. And Vorts seem very wise...with all their sayings, mabey they conentrate on facts rather than hurt feelings.

 

[Headcrab Pie]

By now, if you havent' noticed, Humanity (In Black Mesa East) use Vorts to power generators (seen as you go down the elevator).

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I heared that they were training their combat...

 

[Ophiguris]

We got past all this already.