Was BM the only... BM?

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Do you think Black Mesa was the only research facility researching teleportation technology for military usage? Might there have been one on the other side of the iron curtain? Others in the US of A? Russian ones, Australian, French, British... who else might be intrested in researching teleportational technology?

Also, how d'ya think they got the original crystal from Xen? They need to go to Xen to get crystals that allow them to go to Xen. How did they get their first one? Gman?
 
I reckon Russia would of had something like BM going at the time. But since it would of been so expensive to build and maintain a facility like BM, I don't think the US would have another one.

As for the crystal that's a good point. I have no idea
 
I don't think there were any more Black Mesa facilities. I think it was so secret that even the president of the US didn't know what was going on. There could be like some even more powerful association above FBI, CIA and the state itself.
 
BMRF was a top-secret governmental research facility that was concentrating on teleportation technology. During their teleportation tests, they discovered Xen, and sent expeditions to it, to collect samples to bring back and study, like crystals and fauna, and ultimately the aliens themselves (thus, Questionable Ethics). Yes, the crystals are needed to open rifts and perform teleportation (you can see a small chunk of a crystal in Eli's lab - wonder how he got it). I beleive that the BMRF was unique, only existing in the US.
 
I think teleportation experiments were going on long before Gordon arrived at BMRF. To quote the manual...

"While a visiting student at the University of Innsbruck in the late 1990's, Gordon Freeman observed a series of seminal teleportation experiments conducted by the Institute for Experimental Physics..."

"In 1999, Freeman received his doctorate from M.I.T. with a thesis paper entitled: 'Observation of Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen Entanglement on Supraquantum Structures By Induction through Nonlinear Transuranic Crystal of Extremely Long Wavelength (ELW) Pulse from Mode-Locked Source Array.' "

So I don't think the crystals are UNIQUE to Xen, since Gordon referenced them in his paper, just that it is plentiful with pure ones.
 
sfc_hoot said:
BMRF was a top-secret governmental research facility
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is this actually true? I thought the point of Black Mesa was that it was a private research firm that brought up the government facilities dating back to World War two research?
 
Or gordon could have been talking about theoretical crystals...
 
kupoartist said:
is this actually true? I thought the point of Black Mesa was that it was a private research firm that brought up the government facilities dating back to World War two research?
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I remember reading somewhere (either the HL1 manual, or the HL1 prima guide) that the BMRF was indeed a top-secret government research facility (for teleportation technology).
 
A cold-war era Soviet Xen study program would be the best basis for a mod ever.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
A cold-war era Soviet Xen study program would be the best basis for a mod ever.
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Yeah... I wonder'd who'll be bothered to make it. :rolling:
 
Actually, now that I think about it, thats pretty much what S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is. :P
 
The teleportation developed at black mesa was not dependent on the crystals being present in the machine.

If you recall from hl2, when mossman goes all scientific on you, she says something about using a compressed xen relay (a reference to the crystals i think) then they can use xen as a slingshot and use the teleports for local transport (same planet).

So without the crystals the teleports went to xen, but with them they can be looped back around xen and the exit point can be on earth.

As for another black mesa, there has never been any reference to another exsisting, so its not important to the story.

maybe russia or china has one, but who cares.
 
I have theory: Xen crystal for first teleport could be get to Earth by meteor or it could be synthetic.
Please send speculations about Xen crystals to forum Xen crystal in Black Mesa East.
 
IMO the xen relay is like that thing you set up in blue shift. A devicce on xen that controls teleportation, it got local teleports working in BS
 
hey firecrack you could be on to something there, or maybe just a huge co-inky-dink.

coz BS wasnt made by valve i guess it cant be official but yeh it works the same way!
 
well i remember reading somewhere (i think it was 1 of the manauls) that BM was a former war center (or summin) as in it was made during world war 2 or summin and it used to hold mistles an devalop them and deal in nukes aswell but after the war ended they started on differant stuff I.E teleportation to xen but yes yes i no ders still that question how did they find out about xen and yer well in blue shift when u teleport to xen and then outside of black masa you use the same sort of mechine gordon used to start the RESIDENCE CASCADE i think the sample gordon got worked perfectly its just xen must of been waiting for the teleport window to open so they could try an take ova earth ANYWAYS THATS ALL I THINK OF SO FAR ILL BE WATCHIN DIS THREAD DOE CUZ U GUYS ARE ONTO SOMETHING :D good work
 
If Russia did have their own version of BMRF it could be close to City 17 (prague). Now that would be a cool mission for the Resitance: Find and Use BM (Russain) technology?
 
wow evilsloth i reckon u might have just stumbled over something that could be used in HL3!

that would be sickly awesome, but probably not much time would be spent there if any at all

just for your information, black mesa was a nuclear missile silo in the 1950's before being converted to scientific labs. Look around during the opening sequence and you'll find a huge missile on a launch platform.
 
evilsloth said:
If Russia did have their own version of BMRF it could be close to City 17 (prague). Now that would be a cool mission for the Resitance: Find and Use BM (Russain) technology?
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I like your thinking! To destroy the Combine for good, Gordon must find some technology that the Russians invented which was much more advanced then BMRF. But the Russian facility is also infested with Xen aliens. I reckon evilsloth is secretly Marc Laidlaw. :laugh:
 
SsmitzZ said:
well i remember reading somewhere (i think it was 1 of the manauls) that BM was a former war center (or summin) as in it was made during world war 2 or summin and it used to hold mistles an devalop them and deal in nukes aswell but after the war ended they started on differant stuff I.E teleportation to xen but yes yes i no ders still that question how did they find out about xen and yer well in blue shift when u teleport to xen and then outside of black masa you use the same sort of mechine gordon used to start the RESIDENCE CASCADE i think the sample gordon got worked perfectly its just xen must of been waiting for the teleport window to open so they could try an take ova earth ANYWAYS THATS ALL I THINK OF SO FAR ILL BE WATCHIN DIS THREAD DOE CUZ U GUYS ARE ONTO SOMETHING :D good work
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Yuo serisoly nede too chke youre speeling!!! RFOL
 
Bloody hell, i'm not marc (maybe) i just havn't posted cause of my school network, dosen't allow fourm posting.
And don't think cause i go to school that i'm a newbie, clocked both games, but i was still freaked out by Ravenholm. (probably shouldn't hav played it at night)

The Russian BMRF / Resistance could be a good Mod, if Value isn't using it!
 
evilsloth said:
Bloody hell, i'm not marc (maybe) i just havn't posted cause of my school network, dosen't allow fourm posting.
And don't think cause i go to school that i'm a newbie, clocked both games, but i was still freaked out by Ravenholm. (probably shouldn't hav played it at night)

The Russian BMRF / Resistance could be a good Mod, if Value isn't using it!
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I wasn't being sarcastic or flaming you or anything! That's seriously one of the coolest idea I've ever heard! Well done!
 
LOL, did i sound angry? acutally i did, sorry.
Do you think Value would have accounted for another type of Cold War Arms race?
Hmmm.
We can only wait and see.
Or email Marc Laidlaw. (what's his e-mail by the way, i know ppl know Gabe's)
 
evilsloth said:
Or email Marc Laidlaw. (what's his e-mail by the way, i know ppl know Gabe's)
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I wish I knew MArk Laidlaw's email address, so I could put a rest to retarded G-man theories. :D

And as to the Cold war weapons, Valve hasn't mentioned anything like it. It would be a good mod if its not in HL3. If I was an expert of mapping and stuff I might make it but sadly I'm not. :(
 
There's some guy who emailed him with regards to HL2: OPF you'll find who his is in one of the "Long Live Shepard" thread, but i wish we mere mortals knew.
*sigh*
But enough about emails!
 
maybe the combine gave earth they stone you you use in HL1 to open the portal soo they invaded earth in part 2 (!?) :P
 
i bet not even marc knows what hes gonna do with the g-man yet.

russian silo would be cool, but would need to be drastically different!
 
European Black Mesa Research Facility

So there IS one that's not located in New Mexico. It meets all of the requirements... its humongous, no one really knows quite where it is, it has wierld pipes going EVERYWHERE and they are experimenting in things that could easilly destory the world. (Mini black holes?! Yeah I'm sure that's safe)
 
Pai-Mei said:
European Black Mesa Research Facility

So there IS one that's not located in New Mexico. It meets all of the requirements... its humongous, no one really knows quite where it is, it has wierld pipes going EVERYWHERE and they are experimenting in things that could easilly destory the world. (Mini black holes?! Yeah I'm sure that's safe)
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Black Holes eveuntally evaporate. The blackholes these people are artifically creating wouldnt last long and their event horizon wouldnt be too dangerous.
 
But we wouldn't be able to read any of the signs! Russain gamers would have the advantage.
 
In reference to the Europian Black Mesa post...

That thing is simply a particule accelerator, only a very big one. Myself being a science in formation, I've learned from my youth and less versed friends not to rely on informations directed to general public when it's about science. It's plagued with generalities and exagerations.

But getting back to the actual theme. BM (in haflife that is) was probably the only thing of its kind. I mean, imagine you teleport to Xen and you encouter another team of earthlings...

Vous parlez francais?

The game would sure be changed ALOT.
 
Google

Define:CERN

The European Laboratory for Particle Physics located in Geneva, Switzerland. The World Wide Web originated in this laboratory in 1989 when its staff proposed a multimedia, hyperlinked system of documents. This laboratory has sometimes been referred to as the "home of the Web." The NCSA staff developed the first graphical browser, Mosaic, for the World Wide Web. Mosaic was released (free) for public use in 1990.
 
In reference to the Europian Black Mesa post...

That thing is simply a particule accelerator, only a very big one. Myself being a science in formation, I've learned from my youth and less versed friends not to rely on informations directed to general public when it's about science. It's plagued with generalities and exagerations.
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I was trying to be funny... unsuccessfully it seems.

I'm sure that they would NEVER tell the public the real extent of what is going on, and that anything that we do get is both watered down 100 fold and made into laymans terms... and that the most revolutionary facilities probably aren't even known to the public. Reading everything that Stephen Hawking writes in both Brief History of Time and Universe in a Nutshell, which are both laymans books, I know, but still the limit of my knowledge. That stuff could NOT be figured out without the kinds of things that we just don't know about.
 
Simply put that it's not they wont tell, but as much as people wont understand. Most governamental work (except contractual stuff) is usually published especially in such a case as the CERN, they are most likely not trying to make a teleporter out of it.

People often of science as some sort of magic, which it isnt. The only magical aspect of science, the sheer beauty and complexity of the world, can be perceived by the scientist alone. But the "magic" a scientist sees isn't the magic a "normal" man does. And this kind of stuff leads to pseudo-science...


As for the joke, nice try I guess :P
 
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