Wazz Pants
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well i originally wrote this on the savage fourms (wicked game by the way) and decided I'd see what you guys have to say about it also
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Im totally gonna get flamed for saying doom 3 is goning to suck. but it is. everybody knows it. its goning to be crap to play and nice to look at. even unreal 2 is/will be funner to play than doom 3
While Doom 3 will suck as a game its engine will be wicked please keep in mind that I think the engine will be good for OTHER companies to make games with but I think ID has lost view of how to make good games or is still holding on to the 1990 way of how to make good games.
man i saw on blues news the post about how they're limiting the frame rates in doom 3 and there where like already 60 posts on the topic.
seriously who freaking cares if the frame rate is limited to 60FPS!!! i bet that no system right now could even reach that so who really cares. even if they could the human eye can't really distinguish between 30 and 60 frames a sec anyway (unless the framerate chops or jumps)(this is what got me on the topic)(and the frame cap and any frame rate blabber you want to post, post it in the doom 3 framerate thread please. If you insist on posting any frame rate stuff here please educate your self and read this article found on avault http://www.avault.com/articles/getarticle.asp?name=fpsconspiracy I highly recommend a reading of this article to EVERYBODY it will make you smarter when it comes to computers/videogames no matter what, unless you've already read that article)
Anyways Why Doom 3 is going to Suck
-Doom 3 is going to play exactly the same as quake 2/doom guaranteed.
that’s the only point i need to make right there. Its going to be exactly the same as quake 2 and doom, maybe it'll combine the two, cause there’s such a big difference between the two in the first place.
Don’t get me wrong doom was an awesome game. I played Doom and loved it. Quake 2 was even not too bad but then again it was getting a bit repetitive near the end.
Really after like 10+ years you can't come up with more to the game than run around and shoot stuff (sometimes this works...sometimes).
I guess I’ve matured as a gamer, running around and shooting stuff with no real point or some weak story trying to drive the game is just boring especially if I’ve done it in the same setting before. Multiplayer can spice stuff up a little bit and maybe be the saving face of a game, which may happen here but I doubt it. There’s nothing special about any of ID's recent games other than the engines that they use (props to wolf 3d and doom). Let’s take a look at ID's last game they released.
--Quake 3.
-ok lets see it was a multiplayer only game, i guess because they got tired of trying to do the whole zombie on mars/in space story and epic was also doing a multiplayer only game. That’s all right tho because games can still be really fun and only be multiplayer (savage for example
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-What did they improve on from Quake 2? The graphical engine. That’s it.
They totally killed any flow that the game had left in it with quake 3(which was not too much anyways after quake 2). The game is a total twitch fest with no flow or rhythm to it at all.
-oooh but they did add in new game types, capture the flag and umm I cant remember any of the other stuff cause it sucked just like their CTF sucked until their expansion pack. Wow they had capture the flag, or did they have that in quake 2 also? I can't remember if quake 2 came with CTF but I do know that I played capture the flag for quake in the form of a little mod called Team Fortress. Team Fortress was the best thing that happened to quake and it's whole line of games.
-What came of quake 3 - a nice engine for other games to build off of, and a twitch multiplayer death match FPS.
I love single player games, especially ones with a good fresh story and a different take on something. When a game tries to do single player with some rehashed thrown together piece of rabble story it sickens me.
Ugh and there's not even going to be anything scary about doom 3. Man its going to be like wow look at that messed up thing that some dude made. oh wait there's two of them...and my computer just melted.
when doom came out I wasn't scared then and i was like 9 or so, but when the marine demo of aliens vs. predator came out, holy crap was i ever scared. when you hear those beeps on the motion sensor but can't see anything that just freaks you out. then you start hearing sounds and bam an alien pops outta nowhere and feasts on your sorry corpse. now that will make you scared. Doom severely lacks the atmosphere to make you scared, its more like shoot anything you can.
with doom 3 it'll be just like doom. wow a big cybernetic minotaur with a rocket launcher oooh I’ve never seen that before...wait I have in the original doom. ahh lookout there's zombie after me good thing I have this BFG 20billion that kills everything in one shot, or shall i use my rocket launcher. Look out for the flaming floating skull!!!!
Seriously the game Doom 3 will leave a bitter taste in the mouth of anybody who buys it for the game play. If you buy it to mod it that’s cool and I hope you make some wicked stuff.
I think these big name game companies should STEP UP and make something that's actually fun and new instead of just making a freaking demo of what their gaming engine can do and haveing stupid people buy it just cause it looks good.
Props to Valve for making Quake worth playing and for making some of the most ground breaking games ever.
Props to s2 for makin savage. a brand new fresh idea that works great and is a freaking blast to play.
and other people who know that doom 3 will suck post reasons that I've neglected to mention (the frame cap Isn't a reason)
ok now its time for replies. i could write more, alot more but its early in the AM and i should sleep. keep the flames/comments intelligent and not too harsh so the moderators don't close this thread
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Im totally gonna get flamed for saying doom 3 is goning to suck. but it is. everybody knows it. its goning to be crap to play and nice to look at. even unreal 2 is/will be funner to play than doom 3
While Doom 3 will suck as a game its engine will be wicked please keep in mind that I think the engine will be good for OTHER companies to make games with but I think ID has lost view of how to make good games or is still holding on to the 1990 way of how to make good games.
man i saw on blues news the post about how they're limiting the frame rates in doom 3 and there where like already 60 posts on the topic.
seriously who freaking cares if the frame rate is limited to 60FPS!!! i bet that no system right now could even reach that so who really cares. even if they could the human eye can't really distinguish between 30 and 60 frames a sec anyway (unless the framerate chops or jumps)(this is what got me on the topic)(and the frame cap and any frame rate blabber you want to post, post it in the doom 3 framerate thread please. If you insist on posting any frame rate stuff here please educate your self and read this article found on avault http://www.avault.com/articles/getarticle.asp?name=fpsconspiracy I highly recommend a reading of this article to EVERYBODY it will make you smarter when it comes to computers/videogames no matter what, unless you've already read that article)
Anyways Why Doom 3 is going to Suck
-Doom 3 is going to play exactly the same as quake 2/doom guaranteed.
that’s the only point i need to make right there. Its going to be exactly the same as quake 2 and doom, maybe it'll combine the two, cause there’s such a big difference between the two in the first place.
Don’t get me wrong doom was an awesome game. I played Doom and loved it. Quake 2 was even not too bad but then again it was getting a bit repetitive near the end.
Really after like 10+ years you can't come up with more to the game than run around and shoot stuff (sometimes this works...sometimes).
I guess I’ve matured as a gamer, running around and shooting stuff with no real point or some weak story trying to drive the game is just boring especially if I’ve done it in the same setting before. Multiplayer can spice stuff up a little bit and maybe be the saving face of a game, which may happen here but I doubt it. There’s nothing special about any of ID's recent games other than the engines that they use (props to wolf 3d and doom). Let’s take a look at ID's last game they released.
--Quake 3.
-ok lets see it was a multiplayer only game, i guess because they got tired of trying to do the whole zombie on mars/in space story and epic was also doing a multiplayer only game. That’s all right tho because games can still be really fun and only be multiplayer (savage for example
).-What did they improve on from Quake 2? The graphical engine. That’s it.
They totally killed any flow that the game had left in it with quake 3(which was not too much anyways after quake 2). The game is a total twitch fest with no flow or rhythm to it at all.
-oooh but they did add in new game types, capture the flag and umm I cant remember any of the other stuff cause it sucked just like their CTF sucked until their expansion pack. Wow they had capture the flag, or did they have that in quake 2 also? I can't remember if quake 2 came with CTF but I do know that I played capture the flag for quake in the form of a little mod called Team Fortress. Team Fortress was the best thing that happened to quake and it's whole line of games.
-What came of quake 3 - a nice engine for other games to build off of, and a twitch multiplayer death match FPS.
I love single player games, especially ones with a good fresh story and a different take on something. When a game tries to do single player with some rehashed thrown together piece of rabble story it sickens me.
this is a quote taken from the pc.ign preview of doom 3. Freak if I wanted to hear the doom story again I'd install doom again and play it, but I’m not to inclined to do so because the doom story kinda blew chunks and when I say kinda I mean really blew chunks. Dang I feel like playing so many games again because of their stories but doom just isn't one of them (orginal unreal for instance). the doom story is like something pulled outta some sci-fi/goth wanna be geek's butt. Sure the story for doom's time was all right because you didn't need a story as long as you could shoot stuff. Seriously we where all just excited to shoot something on a computer when doom came out. I've seen mods that haven't even had any real work done on them yet with better stories than doom (hell blaze for HL2). Heck Hell Blaze is even in the same category as doom 3, but it has something new to offer it leaves things unknown and unexpected. Retelling the story of doom, while you're at it why don't you just do the exact same levels as the original doom had it'd be cooler that way, and hey why don't you just use sprites instead of models with a crazy high poly counts so people can actually play the game instead of watching a slideshow.
Do you know why they're doing this? Cause you computer would explode if it tired to render more than 2 character models at the same time.
Ugh and there's not even going to be anything scary about doom 3. Man its going to be like wow look at that messed up thing that some dude made. oh wait there's two of them...and my computer just melted.
when doom came out I wasn't scared then and i was like 9 or so, but when the marine demo of aliens vs. predator came out, holy crap was i ever scared. when you hear those beeps on the motion sensor but can't see anything that just freaks you out. then you start hearing sounds and bam an alien pops outta nowhere and feasts on your sorry corpse. now that will make you scared. Doom severely lacks the atmosphere to make you scared, its more like shoot anything you can.
with doom 3 it'll be just like doom. wow a big cybernetic minotaur with a rocket launcher oooh I’ve never seen that before...wait I have in the original doom. ahh lookout there's zombie after me good thing I have this BFG 20billion that kills everything in one shot, or shall i use my rocket launcher. Look out for the flaming floating skull!!!!
Seriously the game Doom 3 will leave a bitter taste in the mouth of anybody who buys it for the game play. If you buy it to mod it that’s cool and I hope you make some wicked stuff.
I think these big name game companies should STEP UP and make something that's actually fun and new instead of just making a freaking demo of what their gaming engine can do and haveing stupid people buy it just cause it looks good.
Props to Valve for making Quake worth playing and for making some of the most ground breaking games ever.
Props to s2 for makin savage. a brand new fresh idea that works great and is a freaking blast to play.
and other people who know that doom 3 will suck post reasons that I've neglected to mention (the frame cap Isn't a reason)
ok now its time for replies. i could write more, alot more but its early in the AM and i should sleep. keep the flames/comments intelligent and not too harsh so the moderators don't close this thread
