Wikileaks founder charged with rape for not pulling out because a condom broke

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This is the accusation against him by one of the women. That while they were having consensual sex the condom broke and Assanage didn't tell her but kept going. This women was so traumatized by this event that she bragged about it on the internet the next day.

Apparently having consensual sex in Sweden without a condom is punishable by a term of imprisonment of a minimum of two years for rape. That is the basis for a reinstitution of rape charges against WikiLeaks figurehead Julian Assange that is destined to make Sweden and its justice system the laughing stock of the world and dramatically damage its reputation as a model of modernity.

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Sweden’s Public Prosecutor’s Office was embarrassed in August this year when it leaked to the media that it was seeking to arrest Assange for rape, then on the same day withdrew the arrest warrant because in its own words there was “no evidence”.

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The women here are near to and over 30 and have international experience, some of it working in Swedish government embassies. There is no suggestion of drugs nor identity concealment. Far from it. Both women boasted of their celebrity connection to Assange after the events that they would now see him destroyed for

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But then neither Arden nor Wilén complained to the police but rather “sought advice”, a technique in Sweden enabling citizens to avoid just punishment for making false complaints. They sought advice together, having collaborated and irrevocably tainted each other’s evidence beforehand. Their SMS texts to each other show a plan to contact the Swedish newspaper Expressen beforehand in order to maximise the damage to Assange.

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A great deal more damning evidence is yet to be revealed about what passes for legal process in Sweden, such as Assange’s lawyers having not received a single official document until November 18, 2010 (and then in Swedish language contrary to European Law) and having to learn about the status of investigations through prosecution media announcements but make no mistake: it is not Julian Assange that is on trial here but Sweden and its reputation as a modern and model country with rules of law.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/

Seriously. What the **** Sweden?

Yesterday CNN spent most of the day on these rape charges. How much time did they spend on the actual content of the leaks when they came out? Almost none. And the ones they did concentrate on weren't actually newsworthy but were gossip.

Anyone as angry about this shit as I am?
 

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Not really, but

that is destined to make Sweden and its justice system the laughing stock of the world and dramatically damage its reputation as a model of modernity.
Seriously? I read stupider stories in the local section of my newspaper every day, I hardly think this would dramatically change the way the world looks at Sweden.
 

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They charged someone with rape because the condom broke. Now since you're in Texas I have no doubt that you see far more absurd things each day. But this is pretty ****ing absurd for the rest of us.
 

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They charged someone with rape because the condom broke. Now since you're in Texas I have no doubt that you see far more absurd things each day. But this is pretty ****ing absurd for the rest of us.
I actually wasn't thinking of Texas at all, but my hometown in Pennsylvania, whose news I still like to keep up with. No matter how absurd it may be, it's really not that important in the end, and it's silly to suggest that the reputation of a country would be ruined over charges against some douchebag with douchebag girlfriends. I just think that this editorial was comically over-dramatic.
 

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mhm I think this one dude got charged with rape because he was having sex with his GF he then put it in her ass she said she didn't like it and they contiuned having vaginal sex.The evry next day the chick went to the Police about it lol.
 

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You can argue over how important this is. With the way things play out in our country you are probably 100% right, it's not very important. And maybe Sweden's reputation won't be hurt by this. I think that's sad. Because again, they charged a men with rape because the condom he was wearing during consensual sex broke. You don't think that's actually right, do you? And media outlets such as CNN quickly used that as an excuse to call him a rapist instead of concentrating on what was actually important, the infromation in these leaks.
 

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You can argue over how important this is. With the way things play out in our country you are probably 100% right, it's not very important. And maybe Sweden's reputation won't be hurt by this. I think that's sad. Because again, they charged a men with rape because the condom he was wearing during consensual sex broke. You don't think that's actually right, do you? And media outlets such as CNN quickly used that as an excuse to call him a rapist instead of concentrating on what was actually important, the information in these leaks.
I'm not sure how I feel about it. I don't think he's being charged simply for the condom breaking, but for refusing to pull out after it did (and presumably after she asked him to, that being the key). If that's the case, then I do find it pretty disgusting, and I could envision numerous situation in which rape is what I'd call it. But I don't know what happened, plus that woman doesn't seem very trustworthy. If she agreed to sex with a condom, she shouldn't have to risk getting knocked up or infected with some disease because he refused to pull out when it broke, especially if she told him to. My guess is they're both assholes and Assange needs better friends.

This is all highly gay though, seriously.
 

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I doubt he was asked to pull out. A condom breaking isn't something you notice (on both sides). this entire thing seems like absolute bullshit to me.
 

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Some people are saying we are forcing this on Sweden,I really don't think we have that much sway with the Swedes though.
 

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I don't get how this is "what the **** sweden" when its the lady doing it. I mean, America has far, FAR stupider laws than this, its just that not many people are stupid enough to actually use them.
 

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Anyone who believes that you can feel a condom break during sex in time to ask someone to stop has obviously never had sex before. Amirite?

e: And in all seriousness, if these women really had a ****ing case to stand on then they wouldn't be concealing all the important details. I can't even start to understand how you guys can be like ", BUT BUT IT COULD HAPPEN" when they're obviously making this into a huge ****ing media circus and refuse to explain the actual details. Some of you should just get your heads out of your asses.
 

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Anyone saying you can't feel the difference between a condom and no condom is full of shit. A broken condom feels like no condom, except with a rubber band around your cock.

And I did not know that was rape, all the sudden. Usually, I'm like, "condom broke," and she might say "you got any more", or "Just **** it."

Sex is a risk, and both parties know that going in. Nobody ever said a condom is foolproof. However, I can understand that he should have notified her, if that's what this is about.
 

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Oh! I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about a condom when we're already in the chick. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt since you must be doing something wrong/way too slow if you can feel the rubber throughout the entire act and I'm sure you're not that bad.
 

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I have not heard this "condom broke" story anywhere, neither in the Swedish press or in the international. Is this some vast conspiracy that only a random Aussie newspaper have been able to uncover, or is the article talking shit?
 

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Can you even feel the condom breaking during sex? Anyone have experience with this?
 

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Oh! I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about a condom when we're already in the chick. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt since you must be doing something wrong/way too slow if you can feel the rubber throughout the entire act and I'm sure you're not that bad.
Somehow I've insulted you, I guess. Deal with it. You're too sensitive? Maybe wear a condom on your face. Yes, we are talking about being inside her, you idiot.

I'll assume you've just started having sex recently (with people), and I'll explain what happens when a condom breaks. What happens is that if it becomes comprimised, it splits completely open. It ends up looking like a popped balloon hanging on by the rubber ring. And no, the partner will have no idea.

If you are a female (or otherwise have been on the receiving end of a broken condom), comradesean, I apologize, and completely misunderstood what you were saying.
 

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Somehow I've insulted you, I guess. Deal with it. You're too sensitive? Maybe wear a condom on your face. Yes, we are talking about being inside her, you idiot.

I'll assume you've just started having sex recently (with people), and I'll explain what happens when a condom breaks. What happens is that if it becomes comprimised, it splits completely open. It ends up looking like a popped balloon hanging on by the rubber ring. And no, the partner will have no idea.

If you are a female (or otherwise have been on the receiving end of a broken condom), comradesean, I apologize, and completely misunderstood what you were saying.
And there you have it. You agree that she could not possibly have had any idea that the condom was broken so in that regard it is impossible for her to have asked to have stopped the act. The fact that she lied about this falsifies the rest of her claims and makes it impossible to believe anything she can possibly say in her defense. It's not even worth arguing since as I had said, they've turned this into a ****ing media circus for a reason. It's because they have no ****ing proof.
 

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Yesterday CNN spent most of the day on these rape charges. How much time did they spend on the actual content of the leaks when they came out? Almost none. And the ones they did concentrate on weren't actually newsworthy but were gossip.

Anyone as angry about this shit as I am?
I don't think CNN got access to the cables. I could be wrong.

I do know that The New York Times and The Guardian got access. Assange requires $100,000 for access to the files, and only a few trusted by Assange were offered access. Denied was The Washington Times (can't blame Assange there, I wouldn't wipe my ass with this paper).
 

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What are you talking about? The files are on the internet, anyone that wants access to them can get them. If you are talking about before they were released then I have no idea what that has to do with the statement I made. These files were released almost a week ago, CNN had plenty of time to go through the important details in them which have been reported on extensively by international media.

I have the today show on NBC running as I type this. They just again did the lead story about these rape charges without actually mentioning the specifics of those charges. This is the same today show that is yet to mention anything really substantive about the information in these leaks.

And no, you can't feel a condom breaking once you are heavy in the act. Atleast I can't. Maybe you have some special awareness of your dick where you can, congratulations. As you said the chick would have no idea either way, so this isnt even worth arguing with you about.
 

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In the defense of these news stations, there are a LOT of files to go through.

Then again, if they're still trying to distract the public with this red herring then you can't really excuse them.
 

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ITT: No Limit has poor penile sensation.

Here are some facts:

People can tell when condoms break because it suddenly feels good.
I still want to do a Swedish chick.
People around the world are looking to get rid of this guy because he pissed everyone off.

Now if you take all of that information, he probably doesn't have much hope. I mean hell - Interpol normally doesn't try to chase your ass down for the mundane unless they want some ass kicked.
 

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And there you have it. You agree that she could not possibly have had any idea that the condom was broken so in that regard it is impossible for her to have asked to have stopped the act. The fact that she lied about this falsifies the rest of her claims and makes it impossible to believe anything she can possibly say in her defense. It's not even worth arguing since as I had said, they've turned this into a ****ing media circus for a reason. It's because they have no ****ing proof.
No, not unless he told her or she saw the broken condom.

And no, you can't feel a condom breaking once you are heavy in the act. Atleast I can't. Maybe you have some special awareness of your dick where you can, congratulations. As you said the chick would have no idea either way, so this isnt even worth arguing with you about.
No, not unless he told her or she saw the broken condom. The point that you think she made up the story is obviously valid.

Damn, you guys will say anything to support your stupid arguments. When a condom breaks, it's like not wearing one. Trust me, because it's happened to me many times. It's wet and it suddenly feels really excellent. Quite different than ****ing a rubber glove.

And no, you can't feel a condom breaking once you are heavy in the act. Atleast I can't.
Damn, so you could **** some Goodyear's then, super numb dick man. You can't tell the difference between a wet vagina and a radial. I'm ****ing jealous.

Yesterday CNN spent most of the day on these rape charges. How much time did they spend on the actual content of the leaks when they came out? Almost none. And the ones they did concentrate on weren't actually newsworthy but were gossip
Because CNN US News is different than CNN World news. Right now they've got front page spread on a snowstorm. They have to get ratings. US media is biased towards Americans. That's old news.


I wonder what they say on the news in other countries when the entire ruling government comes into question.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/02/the-secret-life-of-julian-assange/
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/02/mccain.wikileaks/
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/12/03/mexico.wikileaks/
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-01/us/wikileaks_1_julian-assange-wikileaks-disclosures-corruption?_s=PM:US
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/01/dabashi.wikileaks/
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/01/europe.wikileaks.nukes/
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/02/us.britain.munitions/
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/innovation/12/02/wikileaks.cave.server/
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/02/wikileaks.computer.security/
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/02/pakistan.wikileaks.media/
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/02/wikileaks.berlusconi/
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/02/afghanistan.wikileaks/?hpt=T2

So here you go, the first 10 or so stories that came up. Start reading. Don't forget you're the one that perpetuated this story, instead of posting on 'something that matters'.

Or if this thread is to complain about American media, then I apologize.
 

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Anyone who wants to confirm/deny whether you can feel a condom breaking meet me in my car outside of Walmart. I call male.
 

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No, not unless he told her or she saw the broken condom.
Why do you insist on making her story up for her? She's already created this vague piece of shit that's almost if not already completely destroyed this guy's credibility, but you insist on "filling in the blanks" for her to try and make it more believable. It's not your job to defend her shitty story. It's her job.
 

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ya but virustype2 has a problem with assange or what he does so automatically he's guilty of whatever crime he's been accused of (I'm sure they'll find more)



this came up during an Assange interview:

Interviewer: Mr Assange, have there ever been documents forwarded to you which deal with the topic of UFOs or extraterrestrials?


Julian Assange: Many weirdos email us about UFOs or how they discovered that they were the anti-christ whilst talking with their ex-wife at a garden party over a pot-plant. However, as yet they have not satisfied two of our publishing rules.

1) that the documents not be self-authored;
2) that they be original.

However, it is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/03/julian-assange-wikileaks
 

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Damn, you guys will say anything to support your stupid arguments. When a condom breaks, it's like not wearing one. Trust me, because it's happened to me many times.
How many times do condoms break on you? Give me a total number. Over the years it's only happened to me twice. You are making it sound like this is some kind of regular occurrence for you.

Damn, so you could **** some Goodyear's then, super numb dick man. You can't tell the difference between a wet vagina and a radial. I'm ****ing jealous.
Ues the lubricated ones you newb.

Because CNN US News is different than CNN World news. Right now they've got front page spread on a snowstorm. They have to get ratings. US media is biased towards Americans. That's old news.
Exactly, our news is entertainment, it's not actually news in the traditional way. And that's why we have americans in this country that will happily make up stores about Assanage as they go along while defending the people smearing him. Amirite?
Thank you for posting this link, it illustrates my point very well. The headline of that article is "The Secret Life Of Julian Assange" and this is the picture they use:



Damn, what a scary dude. He must be some very evil person.
 

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I've never had a condom break on me. How do you cause one to break? It's relatively strong rubber and it's moving in a slippery environment - why would it break? I can imagine it breaking if there's not enough lubrication, but in this case work a bit more on getting your woman excited, or use some additional lubrication :?
 

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ITT: No Limit has poor penile sensation.

Here are some facts:

People can tell when condoms break because it suddenly feels good.
How many condoms have you broken? What happened?
 

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Everytime you see pictures of that guy. Exactly my point.
 

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I've never had a condom break on me. How do you cause one to break? It's relatively strong rubber and it's moving in a slippery environment - why would it break? I can imagine it breaking if there's not enough lubrication, but in this case work a bit more on getting your woman excited, or use some additional lubrication :?
For me it happened with thinner condoms and it was mostly because of an awkward position.

How many condoms have you broken? What happened?
Only one, and none since because I switch brands (avoid Trojan Thintensity, the name is gay and the condoms are terrible). I felt a little kind of pop... hard to describe that part but maybe like when you poke your finger through cellophane or something. I didn't stop immeditely but a couple of um... actions... later I was like "this feels too good, something is wrong" and I looked to find... my penis! Bare!

Luckily it was with my girlfriend and not some random scary girl like I used to find wandering the clubs drunk... so my penis is safe. No need to worry anyone.

Everytime you see pictures of that guy. Exactly my point.
No not just pictures... even in interviews and everything... he just looks menacing for no reason. I think I saw one picture of him talking at some thing from a while ago and he looked fairly normal. He's just a weird guy in general. He walked out of the interview I was watching because they asked him about the rape charges. Who just walks out of interviews? Even crazy ass Tom Cruise won't walk out of an interview, he just starts yelling at you.
 

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So based on one experiance you are now the condom breakage expert?

But I think we would all have to agree that the only true expert here would have to be Virus since his condoms break on a daily basis.

No not just pictures... even in interviews and everything... he just looks menacing for no reason. I think I saw one picture of him talking at some thing from a while ago and he looked fairly normal. He's just a weird guy in general. He walked out of the interview I was watching because they asked him about the rape charges. Who just walks out of interviews? Even crazy ass Tom Cruise won't walk out of an interview, he just starts yelling at you.
What is menacing about his appearance in this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OSNrrDmUDY

I watched a number of his interviews, I dont ever recall one where he was standing in the shadows.
 

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So based on one experiance you are now the condom breakage expert?

But I think we would all have to agree that the only true expert here would have to be Virus since his condoms break on a daily basis.



What is menacing about his appearance in this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OSNrrDmUDY

I watched a number of his interviews, I dont ever recall one where he was standing in the shadows.
That's the most annoying background ever.

But yeah, he's always squinting at me and I don't like people that do that... like Clint Eastwood. STOP SQUINTING.

Also I never said I was a condom expert, but you were making sweeping claims like "no, you can't feel a condom breaking once you are heavy in the act," which warranted my intrusion with facts. Sorry I don't regularly break condoms. I don't want a bunch of little versions of myself running around. They'd be annoying pricks.
 

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Why do you insist on making her story up for her? , but you insist on "filling in the blanks" for her to try and make it more believable. It's not your job to defend her shitty story. It's her job.
I'm not defending her, I'm defending myself.

I'm defending truth and objectivity. So you guys, all about transparency exposing the lies and cover ups, but you wanna sweep this under the rug without a trial? Just make this woman go away?

Let the judge be the judge.

I had heard this story previously, but haven't followed up on it, because it sounds like something made up. If you want my opinion, maybe there is some super spy shit between the US and Sweden to tie this guy up. Maybe the women want attention or maybe he just ****ing raped her.

But I'm not defending her, I'm defending myself. You attacked me when I called you out on your 'Vagina feels like dry rubber' (a tire) story.

She's already created this vague piece of shit that's almost if not already completely destroyed this guy's credibility
Destroyed his credibility? Allegedly a condom broke and he didn't say anything. He won't do any time.

But it's big news because he is big news, and you will hear about it until you can't stand it anymore. What about Tiger Woods? Oh, he plays golf too?

Assange is getting all the media attention. Wikileaks is the biggest search term in the world right now, I'm sure of it. Every aspect of this mysterious man will make the news.


ya but virustype2 has a problem with assange or what he does
Its funny how:

I notice a couple of guys seem to be stretching the truth

I make some correction and say that anyone who would say ___ is full of it, and then proceed to explain why

And suddenly, I am attacked by everyone because I'm not biased. Pathetic.

How many times do condoms break on you? Give me a total number. Over the years it's only happened to me twice. You are making it sound like this is some kind of regular occurrence for you.
I don't know, I've been sexually active for 20 years. A dozen? Maybe because I have a big fat dick that rips them open like the incredible hulk. I rarely even use condoms because I usually have a steady girlfriend.
 

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So he went from a menacing evil look to he squints too much and appears in front of ugly bright backgrounds.

In regards to your "facts". Maybe I should have said that you don't ALWAYS feel condoms breaking. And maybe you shouldn't have brought my penis in to this. Now we can move on.
 

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Holy sheet, for some reason I always considered you much younger than that.
 

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This isn't about any of us. The main arguement is about whether or not Assange has committed rape and anything else is just a distraction/waste of time.

A real discussion would be what happened to the second woman, huh? Did he use a broken condom on her too? They seemed to be working together so wouldn't their stories have to collaborate? Why did she step down when this one didn't?

I'm pretty sure that I don't have to be biased to see that the entire story reeks from the beginning to the end through the leaked announcement, the poor handling of the country's courts and most importantly the timing of the events.
 
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