Your substance of choice?

[Absinthe]

Only losers need to take illegal drugs to have fun and feel good about themselves.

I see.

Care to elaborate on this?

 

[kirovman]

I'm keen on the alcohol, but I've cut back a bit lately.

 

[CyberPitz]

I'd pick Mountain Dew over anything, mainly because if you cut me open, MD would just pour out.. Gotta replenish it somehow.

 

[Smoke]

I see.

Care to elaborate on this?

Back away Razor, BACK AWAY.

 

[Razor]

I see.

Care to elaborate on this?

Well, i suppose as long as your killing yourselves in your own bedrooms, it's ok and i can't really tell you what is right or wrong as it will only encourage you more with you thinking it's "hip" and "cool" to do drugs. Everyone who uses them should be made fully aware of the evils that drugs create.

 

[Absinthe]

You're still doing nothing but giving vague platitudes. I asked you to elaborate.

1. What are the evils of drugs that you speak of?

2. Do you recognize the distinctions between different classes and types of drugs?

3. Do you appreciate the distinctions between methods of consumption (ie. smoking a joint or using a vaporizer)?

4. With questions 2 and 3 in mind, what is your basis for considering drug use a method of suicide?

5. Even though there are risks involved with drug use, does this by itself make it sad? If so, explain why.

6. Many drugs simply block or deregulate human-produced chemicals that prompt effects. If this is sad:
a) Explain how this is different from other methods not requiring the intake of substances.
b) Even if this weren't the case, could you explain why it would be sad any way?

7. You commented that anybody who requires illegal drugs to have a good time is sad. If so:
a) What brought you to believe that recreational drug users require drugs instead of considering them options?
b) If such drugs were given a legal status, would your opinion of them change?

8. What is your basis for calling drug users ugly and horrible?

9. Are you aware of the concepts of moderation and responsible use?

 

[mastag]

Well, i suppose as long as your killing yourselves in your own bedrooms, it's ok and i can't really tell you what is right or wrong as it will only encourage you more with you thinking it's "hip" and "cool" to do drugs. Everyone who uses them should be made fully aware of the evils that drugs create.

i would guess reefer madness is the extent of your experience with drugs.

 

[Absinthe]

i would guess reefer madness is the extent of your experience with drugs.

It would seem so. Such people almost always have no clue as to what they're talking about and are content to spout off from their high horse with their heads stuck in the clouds.

 

[kirovman]

Clouds of weed smoke, lol.

 

[Tr0n]

Fog up the van.

 

[ÞIcarus]

Self destruction, even at the reward of enjoyable experience, is always a misguided and ignorant action.

 

[Absinthe]

Self destruction, even at the reward of enjoyable experience, is always a misguided and ignorant action.

Define self destruction.

 

[Tr0n]

Well I haven't done any hard drugs or want to kill myself yet. Pot is a-ok.

 

[sinkoman]

Self destruction, even at the reward of enjoyable experience, is always a misguided and ignorant action.

Cocain, most Opiods, and Amphetamines and E's are physically dangerous, but that's probably about it. Cocain and Heroin are the "omg addicting and melts your brain" drugs, with cocain actually killing nasal tissue.

Marijuana causes no brain defects/damage (it binds to the bodies CB1 and CB2 receptors and mimics natural canabinoids, but with a few changed proteins), as once the THC releases from the CB receptors, the CB receptors act just as they did before you dosed. The only danger of weed is maybe lung cancer, but if you use a vaporizer, then you don't even have that...

THC (active ingredient in marijuana) is not addicting.

LSD's effects are purely mental. The chems go straight for the brain, and just like with Marijuana, just bind to the different receptors in your brain and change the ballance of different chems in your brain. The ONLY danger with LSD, is if somebody with a history of psychological disorders (schizophrenia, depression), was to dose, the disorder would probably resurface.

LSD, or ANY Lysergic Acids for that matter, are not addicting.

Psylocibin (chemical that's synthesized after dosing on mushrooms) behaves near identical to LSD, and, just like LSD, is in no way shape or form, addicting.

DMT has VERY Different effects from LSD, but like LSD, merely changes the ballance of different chems in your brain, and "tickles" different brain receptors. Again, like LSD, is not addicting.

You've been brainwashed by your government into having a negative oppinion on drugs. I've been brainwashed too, and i'm only now starting to see how much i've been so.

 

[0mar]

Caffenine daily, cigars daily, marijauna weekly, opium occasionally.

 

[Tr0n]

Cocain, most Opiods, and Amphetamines and E's are physically dangerous, but that's probably about it. Cocain and Heroin are the "omg addicting and melts your brain" drugs, with cocain actually killing nasal tissue.

Marijuana causes no brain defects/damage (it binds to the bodies CB1 and CB2 receptors and mimics natural canabinoids, but with a few changed proteins), as once the THC releases from the CB receptors, the CB receptors act just as they did before you dosed. The only danger of weed is maybe lung cancer, but if you use a vaporizer, then you don't even have that...

THC (active ingredient in marijuana) is not addicting.

LSD's effects are purely mental. The chems go straight for the brain, and just like with Marijuana, just bind to the different receptors in your brain and change the ballance of different chems in your brain. The ONLY danger with LSD, is if somebody with a history of psychological disorders (schizophrenia, depression), was to dose, the disorder would probably resurface.

LSD, or ANY Lysergic Acids for that matter, are not addicting.

Psylocibin (chemical that's synthesized after dosing on mushrooms) behaves near identical to LSD, and, just like LSD, is in no way shape or form, addicting.

DMT has VERY Different effects from LSD, but like LSD, merely changes the ballance of different chems in your brain, and "tickles" different brain receptors. Again, like LSD, is not addicting.

You've been brainwashed by your government into having a negative oppinion on drugs. I've been brainwashed too, and i'm only now starting to see how much i've been so.

I love you.

I wanna move to hawaii and live with you.

 

[Warbie]

The ONLY danger with LSD, is if somebody with a history of psychological disorders (schizophrenia, depression), was to dose, the disorder would probably resurface.

I'm not so sure about that. I know a few people who have done alot of acid - they may not be schizophrenic, but they certainly aren't all there any more.

The summer me and my mates finished school lsd was the 'hip' drug of the time. On a heavy weekend or at a festival we'd work our way through a sheet or two, while gobbling down everything else that was available. That was over 10 years ago, I haven't touch anything in 5, yet I still see things wobble occasionally.

We can debate all day about the long-term effects of various drugs, but the fact is we don't really know. Personally I don't believe any are safe, not even weed.

 

[Qonfused]

Caffine. Illicit drugs do not interest me.

 

[sinkoman]

I'm not so sure about that. I know a few people who have done alot of acid - they may not be schizophrenic, but they certainly aren't all there any more.

The summer me and my mates finished school lsd was the 'hip' drug of the time. On a heavy weekend or at a festival we'd work our way through a sheet or two, while gobbling down everything else that was available. That was over 10 years ago, I haven't touch anything in 5, yet I still see things wobble occasionally.

It's called an LSD flashback. Your mind, while in the trip, will decide it should memorized the altered state of random objects (like say, an orange).

Then, some day like, 20 years later, your mind will think to itself "HEY, REMEMBER THIS?" and start putting the orange back in it's tripped out state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_Persisting_Perception_Disorder

We can debate all day about the long-term effects of various drugs, but the fact is we don't really know. Personally I don't believe any are safe, not even weed.

Where are you comming up with this "WE DON'T REALLY KNOW YAH"? I can pull a bunch of "online" sources, including wiki ones, out of my ass that say otherwise.

In any case, you seem like a very paranoid person, so mebeh drugs aren't the best thing for you

 

[Crazy Horse]

You're still doing nothing but giving vague platitudes. I asked you to elaborate.

1. What are the evils of drugs that you speak of?

2. Do you recognize the distinctions between different classes and types of drugs?

3. Do you appreciate the distinctions between methods of consumption (ie. smoking a joint or using a vaporizer)?

4. With questions 2 and 3 in mind, what is your basis for considering drug use a method of suicide?

5. Even though there are risks involved with drug use, does this by itself make it sad? If so, explain why.

6. Many drugs simply block or deregulate human-produced chemicals that prompt effects. If this is sad:
a) Explain how this is different from other methods not requiring the intake of substances.
b) Even if this weren't the case, could you explain why it would be sad any way?

7. You commented that anybody who requires illegal drugs to have a good time is sad. If so:
a) What brought you to believe that recreational drug users require drugs instead of considering them options?
b) If such drugs were given a legal status, would your opinion of them change?

8. What is your basis for calling drug users ugly and horrible?

9. Are you aware of the concepts of moderation and responsible use?

I find it hilarious how people will decry the use of drugs for health risk reasons, but then drive everywhere in cars (#1 teen killer). Everything you do in life has a risk to it. F*cking hypocrites they are. I personally have never taken drugs, and don't plan to, just because I don't wish to follow that lifestyle. But I don't make up bullshit logic to try to explain it or condemn others.

 

[Warbie]

so mebeh drugs aren't the best thing for you

heh - quite possibly, but it's far too late.

I've read many sources, but still trust in my personal experiences and what I see with my own eyes (most of the time ). Good or bad, I spent the first 25 years of my life around heavy drug users, and was using a wide variety of substances from the age of 13. I've seen more than a few people completely derail and lose the plot entirely, and many others who have gone more than a little strange. One thing I haven't seen - someone who's used drugs or drink regularly and for a number of years who hasn't been affected negatively to some degree.

Your previous post suggested that lsd was harmless, which I completely disagree with. Sure, take acid a handful of times are you'll probably be fine, perhaps not. Use it in large quantaties for years and you'll end up with a skull full of mush. I also feel it's best not to take any drugs at all during puberty.

Oh, and heavy weed users become mean and selfish - mark my words, it happens to us/them all eventually

 

[Tr0n]

I'm already mean and selfish without pot. D:

 

[Warbie]

I'm already mean and selfish without pot. D:

Think of all the money you saved

 

[The Brick]

Holy shit! Shippi seriously screwed up the first post in this thread. Lol.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2038778&postcount=1

 

[sinkoman]

Holy shit! Shippi seriously screwed up the first post in this thread. Lol.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2038778&postcount=1

WTF D: D: D:

N O NO NO MY THREAD D: D: D:

 

[Tr0n]

Wtf shippi? lololol

 

[Danimal]

Shippowned.

 

[15357]

WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF? *faints*

 

[The Brick]

It's your best post yet, numbers

shippwned

 

[joule]

lol

*walks away whistling*

 

[Shinobi]

I'm surprised cocaine isnt on there

 

[bigburpco]

Everybody should really just abuse vitamins. :E

 

[Danimal]

Too much calcium!

Bones.. Too.. Strong... To... Move!

 

[sinkoman]

I'm surprised cocaine isnt on there

WAI D:

Coke is for shitheads D: D: D:

I pray that nobody on HL2.net does coke.

 

[bigburpco]

I like coke.

I mean the soft drink.

 

[Razor]

Taking drugs is like getting in the ring for a full contact fight interms of health risks, even though i am wanting to get into the ring and do such things, i respect and understand the health risks involved with doing such things - both to the brain and to the body, thus i am preparing myself both physically and mentally for these risks to minimise them as much as possible. I am also not going to be spending the rest of the my life fighting in the ring, thus again minimising the health and mental risks that are associated with doing such an extreme sport.

Drug users on the other hand take drugs to escape from reality and also to enjoy themselves and create a make believe dreamworld free from the rigours and fears of their everyday meaningless boring lives. But don't understand or are unwilling to understand the health risks, both psychological and physical, that taking drugs has for your body, both in the short term and the long term.

Both what i want to do and what drug users do can lead to physical and mental injury, but i have fully qualified trained medical staff a few feet away from me at all times when i enter the ring and also fully understand the risks, a drug user has no medical help readily at hand, nor do a lot of them understand the full risks that taking drugs has.

I don't mind the members here taking illegal drugs in their bedrooms but when people turn around and say there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking lsd and acid and cannabis, that's what i don't like seeing. Now with all the studies done on cannabis, in both the long term and the short term, half the studies i have seen say there are few short term effects, mainly effecting the memory, and little to no understanding of the risk in the long term, the other half of the studies say there is definate short term risk and a definate long term risk through regular use of cannabis, again generally effecting memory. Cannabis might also have no physical addictive properties but people do find it hard to quit as it creates a psychological crutch that they can't do without, due to problems in their lives such as stress and/or emotional problems.

But truth be told, it's more a problem i have with the general people that use cannabis than through the use of cannabis itself. A lot of the people that i went to school with that used cannabis are now living on the dole or can only get basic manual labour or assembly line jobs, even though they were some of the smartest kids in school. They left school, didn't go to college and just moped around all day doing nothing apart from making babies and going clubbing. And i do honestly believe these people were turned into losers by cannabis...or was it they smoked cannabis because they were losers...but then, not everyone who smokes cannabis is a loser. Look at people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, an ex-cannabis user and won Mr Olympia whilst smoking cannabis, look at Bruce Lee as well, another cannabis user who just happened to be the greatest fighter in the 20th century and also one of the strongest humans in the world lb for lb.

edit: i think the last sentence there does prove that yes, normal people can go through their lives smoking cannabis at one point and have no problems at all and do do it as a way to relax from a very stressful life and aren't doing it "to be cool and fit in with my cool mates", but then i do still feel that there are still health risks involved in using it cannabis, both in the short term and, if used of a long period of time, in the long term as well.

 

[Steven]

I think that EVERYBODY abuses some substance for a majority portion of their lives, even the bastards that say their clean abuse caffeine. Everybody has their substance of choice!

By abuse, I mean use it for personal gain. Not using a substance because it's been prescribed to you, or because it improves your health, but because it somehow makes your life a little bit easier.

So, pick your poison.

um....uhhh...w-........porn?

Edit: Oh look a poll...

Dopamine

jesus?

I prefer chocolate and coffee over alcohol, simply because I enjoy more of it more of the time. Alcohol is great for the weekend, but you try having a mug of it at your desk at work 20 times a day.

........uh.... nothing?


Other than candy and chocolate, with some cider?


SAY NO TO DRUGS!

Chocolate!

Nuff said

Coooooke. :dozey:

Where would we be without our cans of carbonated caffiene and suger? Probably in a lot better health that's where!

Sugar.

And Caffeine of course, but that's a given.

Weed. And tea.

A nice cup of earl grey with friends when your a bit stoned = bliss.

Alcohol/Caffeine/Marajauna

Caffiene. Energy drinks mostly, chocolate too I suppose.

Caffiene junkies -

Try a WakeMeUp****MeUp: 3/4 shot of esspresso, 1/4 coke syrup and topped off with redbull.



You're insane!:rolling: "WakeMeUp****MeUp"

Does exactly what it says on the tin!!

Have you ever tried a cup of black tea? It can keep you awake for a week.:E

Marijuana, blond Moroccan hashish preferably.

I get high on love.

Alcohol.

Captain Morgan's the shit.

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:imu: :imu: :imu: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :imu: :bounce: :bounce:

I have about 2liters of coke a day.

I want to stop.

I can't.

Alcomafroll and lots of it!!



Change that to coffee and you sound like Fry.

I myself like sugar, far too much to be anywhere near healthy.



throw out your coke containers, and drink water!

I drink alot of Coffee, a morning coffee in the morning then coffee and a smoke the coffee and internet then coffee and collage etc...
I smoke a small amount bit of Dope as well.
But I voted Caffeine (coffee, chocolate...) because I use it more.

Alcohol. HAAAAAATE coffee but since when does chocolate contain caffeine?

Caffeine as been in Chocolate ever since it was invented.

Ketchup and mayonaise.

Caffiene

I would have to say... hrm. I'm not huge on caffeine or anything like that. So i'll go with the addictive chemicals in chocolate... and the good old fashioned carbohydrate high. :hmph:



Eeer...

Your not a Intelligent Design believer are you?



Levorotatory monosaccharide and mono/disaccharide.



bastard! it's been years since I've tried blonde ..man you're at the epicenter of the cannabis culture ...can I come visit?



northern lights mostly or local hydro

If it's about mind and body numbing, then alcohol. Although I've had a lot of tobacco recently.

oxygen?

Caffeine, I really drink a lot of tea and coffee!

Other.
Carbohydrates.

ARGH TOO MANY OPTIONS

Hmmm.... Well, I'll vote for what I end up doing and enjoying the most, but it only edges out by a hair. It would probably be alcohol. Nothing like getting pissed up with your mates, getting loud and obnoxious, feeling that nice lager go down your throat. Just wonderful. Hand in hand with that is cigarettes, because I can't have a pint without a smoke. I simply can't. The two have been so conditioned together that fighting it is like fighting my very nature.
Cannabis, OTC drugs, and the acids are all roughly on the same level after those two. Different contexts, different uses, different people (if any at all). The hallucinogenic substances are worthwhile even with a bad trip, and dissociatives are wonderfully unique all on their own.



I agree. I rarely smoke but it's just so great when you're on your way to getting pissed

i'm an extacy girl myself, but i mostly drink. i don't smoke dope anymore cos it makes me feel crap, and i'm a social smoker.

i voted for the one that has E in it.

boxing match between Uwe Boll and game journalist on the set of Postal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH-SqHAEwYo&mode=related&search=

ouch painful to watch

my money is on somethingawful's lowtax to beat boll to a pulp

lol man why did he even agree to get into the ring if he was going to run like a frightened girl?

Oh God no. D:

 

[Absinthe]

Taking drugs is like getting in the ring for a full contact fight interms of health risks, even though i am wanting to get into the ring and do such things, i respect and understand the health risks involved with doing such things - both to the brain and to the body, thus i am preparing myself both physically and mentally for these risks to minimise them as much as possible. I am also not going to be spending the rest of the my life fighting in the ring, thus again minimising the health and mental risks that are associated with doing such an extreme sport.

Hence why I asked you if you were aware of the concepts of moderation and responsible use. Responsible drug users do take steps to minimize risks.
But your comparison is still incredibly inane. You are not making any distinctions between the drugs and are grouping them all under the same category of an "extreme sport". You're also ignoring that many people are only drug users for a certain period of their life.

This brings up another question.
Is drug use no longer sad when it's placed in a context of finite usage?

Drug users on the other hand take drugs to escape from reality and also to enjoy themselves and create a make believe dreamworld free from the rigours and fears of their everyday meaningless boring lives. But don't understand or are unwilling to understand the health risks, both psychological and physical, that taking drugs has for your body, both in the short term and the long term.

You make a lot of generalizations about this uniform collective called "drug users". Why it's impossible for you to fathom people using drugs because they're fun or feel good instead of some deep-rooted psychological, dysfunctional urge for escapism, I don't know. I find it incredibly insulting, regardless.

You're still clumping all drugs under one banner. I highly reccomend that you stop. That is unless you can detail the universal short and long term effects of "drugs". If you can, please do so. It would be such a boon for all of us unwilling to understand the risks we take.

Both what i want to do and what drug users do can lead to physical and mental injury, but i have fully qualified trained medical staff a few feet away from me at all times when i enter the ring and also fully understand the risks, a drug user has no medical help readily at hand, nor do a lot of them understand the full risks that taking drugs has.

When's the last time I required a fully qualified and trained medical staff for smoking a joint? How about some salvia? A pint of beer?

That's right. I don't. Your comparison is rendered even more ridiculous. Yes, there are many drug users that don't understand the full risks of taking drugs, but you're transferring your ire from those people to the very principle of drug use, which is downright ****ing retarded.

But you still can't entirely blame such people since there is so little genuine, unbiased information regarding drugs.

I don't mind the members here taking illegal drugs in their bedrooms but when people turn around and say there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking lsd and acid and cannabis, that's what i don't like seeing. Now with all the studies done on cannabis, in both the long term and the short term, half the studies i have seen say there are few short term effects, mainly effecting the memory, and little to no understanding of the risk in the long term, the other half of the studies say there is definate short term risk and a definate long term risk through regular use of cannabis, again generally effecting memory. Cannabis might also have no physical addictive properties but people do find it hard to quit as it creates a psychological crutch that they can't do without, due to problems in their lives such as stress and/or emotional problems.

Is this a problem with the users or the drug? The users or the very concept of drug use itself? Start making some clear-cut definitions of what you're against.

I'd like you to cite some of these resources you're referring to.

But even if it is the case that cannabis and other drugs have short and long term effects (we won't get into severity), why the **** should you care? You're not doing them. What arouses your contempt? I can only conclude it's due to some irrational ignorance from somebody who doesn't know that LSD and Acid are the same damn thing.

But truth be told, it's more a problem i have with the general people that use cannabis than through the use of cannabis itself. A lot of the people that i went to school with that used cannabis are now living on the dole or can only get basic manual labour or assembly line jobs, even though they were some of the smartest kids in school. They left school, didn't go to college and just moped around all day doing nothing apart from making babies and going clubbing. And i do honestly believe these people were turned into losers by cannabis...or was it they smoked cannabis because they were losers...but then, not everyone who smokes cannabis is a loser. Look at people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, an ex-cannabis user and won Mr Olympia whilst smoking cannabis, look at Bruce Lee as well, another cannabis user who just happened to be the greatest fighter in the 20th century and also one of the strongest humans in the world lb for lb.

So are you saying that while drug use is sad, there are exceptions?

Wouldn't this go against your little tirade about how every drug user is an escapist loser that just wants to shirk their boring, meaningless reality?




You have still, in no way, shape, or form, substantiated your petty notions of drug users as sad losers. You also didn't answer a lot of my questions, and while I'm not expecting that as a requirement, I do believe it would have helped you define what exactly your beef is.

 

[repiV]

Caffeine. Of the Pepsi variety. It keeps me awake.

 

[Shippi]

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