Egyptian TV Promotes Anti-American Hatred

[K e r b e r o s]

From: Palestinian Media Watch

By Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook, April 30, 2006

An Egyptian TV series promoting anti- American hate propaganda has just finished its second season on Palestinian Authority TV. The popular Egyptian series presents the US as the leader of the imperialist forces in the world and as such responsible for the serious problems of the Arab world. Israel likewise is presented negatively. Iraq, on the other hand is presented positively as the innocent victim of American imperialist occupation for the purpose of stealing Iraqi oil. This anti- American series was produced by the Egyptian government owned and controlled Egyptian Radio and Television Union.

This Egyptian series reflects a critical component of internal propaganda in the Arab world, which is to blame the failings of the Arab regimes on "imperialist America" and thereby deflect the anger of their own people away from the corrupt leaders and to the foreign enemy. This hate propaganda is presented throughout the Arab world by political leaders, in the Mosques, and is most effective in reaching the broad population through pop culture, TV and movies, like this Egyptian series.

The series reinforces the following ideology:

1) Hate towards the West and especially towards the US, depicting it as the modern "Roman empire" and "crusaders". The same idea repeats in many examples in PMW archive:
http://pmw.org.il/tv part8.html

2) The conclusion of the series is that only resistance (i.e. terror) for many years will defeat the US and the West. Islam's hundreds of years of war with Christians during the Crusades, is presented as a precedent.

3) Implying that Israel destroyed the World Trade Center. The same idea appears in a popular Egyptian music video in PMW archive:
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_YaAmAraby.asx)

4) Depicting the US behavior as part of a pattern, starting with its policy to the "Indians" [Native Americans] as the first innocent victims of US policy.

Finally, it should be noted that Egypt is one of the largest recipients of US foreign aid. PMW has documented in the past that Palestinian infrastructures involved in anti- American activities and glorifying terrorists likewise have been recipients of US money.

http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Globalization.asx

You may see the video they're.

Here's a transcript:

"Man in the Era of Globalization" Egyptian TV Series, PATV, Apr.18, 2006

Son:
Ariel Sharon knows how to take advantage of 9/11. He knows how to convince America that he is fighting terror. The Zionists are the ones who benefit from these events. Even from 9/11 they benefit. Aren't they the ones who attacked the World Trade Center, to cause what is happening?

Father:
It's not impossible. But don't forget that the Zionist aren't everything.
There is a bigger an greater force, the great imperialist interests.
Today America is playing the role that the Roman Empire played in the past,
when it controlled the whole world through its influence and power.

Son:
What should we do, father, give up?

Father:
No! We must not give up.

Son:
But how, father? You said that America has power to control the whole world.

Father:
Do not forget that when the crusades came to the region we resisted for 200 years. For 200 years there were wars. We too have the ability to resist for many years. We will not become like the Indians [Native Americans], put in cages for the world to watch, as they are doing now in Gwatanamo with the remaining Al-Qaida.

[Egyptian TV Series, PATV, Apr.18, 2006]

I think it should be noted the saying now for those involved in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is this:

In english they talk peace. In arabic they talk war.

 

[Lemonking]

mhm..maybe America should stop giving them money?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Maybe so, if America is that concerned. But, what is America?

Its people?

Or its politicians?

And do either really know the better of what seaks to be they're demise?

 

[DeusExMachina]

Some will love us.
Some will hate us.
The rest will be indifferent towards us.

That's just how I see it.

 

[Captain M4d]

Americans can't even agree with each other, why should this matter?

 

[Ome_Vince]

i think this is pretty disturbing stuff
Incredible this this mindless hate-discriminating-propaganda stuff is shown on TV.

 

[Solaris]

Erm, it actually makes some sense.

You can't go around f****g up the world and not expect it to be a little distrorted.

 

[Gunner]

I have to say something, I lived in Cairo for fourteen years and egyptians are a friendly bunch. They love foreigners, americans and europeans alike, and they know that without them their economy will crumble. Of course there are extremists just like everywhere else in the region, but on the whole Egypt is a friend and ally of America.

 

[VirusType2]

I have to say something, I lived in Cairo for fourteen years and egyptians are a friendly bunch. They love foreigners, americans and europeans alike, and they know that without them their economy will crumble. Of course there are extremists just like everywhere else in the region, but on the whole Egypt is a friend and ally of America.

That's exactly the opposite things I have heard, which is: Egyptians HATE us. It is a very bad idea to visit there if you are from The United States of America.

 

[Solaris]

That's exactly the opposite things I have heard, which is: Egyptians HATE us. It is a very bad idea to visit there if you are from The United States of America.

I'd hate you too if I lived in the Middle East.

 

[VirusType2]

I'd hate you too if I lived in the Middle East.

But you don't hate The USA because you live some place else? Why don't you just come out and say you don't give a damn about the middle east?

 

[Solaris]

But you don't hate The USA because you live some place else? Why don't you just come out and say you don't give a damn about the middle east?

I don't hate the USA, becuase I know I know loads of decent American people. If I lived somewhere destroyed by US imperialism however I wouldn't give a damn, I'd hate every American. As I imagine do alot of people.

 

[VirusType2]

OK, so you are sympathetic with them. So am I.

If they want to make fictional movies and TV series where America is the bad guy why should I care? We make fictional movies and TV series all the time that depicts middle-easterns as the bad guys.

I don't feel like a bad guy personally. I feel like a good guy. I will assume until proven otherwise that many - if not most of their citizens are good guys as well.


Where are you from by the way?

I don't understand why people don't disclose their approximate location so people can get a better understanding from where they are coming from - especially when posting often in the politics forum. Often this will explain why they don't speak English well, or why they feel a certain way. You have an anonymous identity, why hide every single shred of identity? Sometimes I feel like I'm talking with a shape-shifter, or someone that doesn't exist.

 

[Solaris]

OK so you are sympathetic with them. So am I. If they want to make fictional movies and TV series where America is the bad guy why should I care? We make fictional movies and TV series all the time that depicts middle-easterns as the bad guys. I don't feel like the bad guy. I feel like a good guy.

Where are you from by the way?

I'm from the UK. I'm ashamed of my governments actions, as should you be.

 

[VirusType2]

I'm from the UK. I'm ashamed of my governments actions, as should you be.

Are you? Yes, I guess I am ashamed of some of my governments actions, but I am also very proud of other actions. I feel the good deeds heavily out-weigh the bad deeds. I am also very lucky to live in a country where I can say something like that and not have to worry about being killed.

What government are you not ashamed of? I don't see any government ever established thats actions aren't shameful, and if it was/is, it might be completely helpless to defend itself, thus eventually becoming under the control of a government thats actions are shameful.

What government would you be most proud to represent? Completely serious, I may want to move there, depending on the freedoms the citizens enjoy. I am considering countries like Canada, since I can drive there in a few days.


I may sound a bit sharp in some of my posts, so I have to tell you that I don't mean any disrespect.

 

[Solaris]

Are you? What government are you not ashamed of? Is there any government worthy of you? I don't see any government ever established thats actions aren't shameful, and if it was/is, it might be completely helpless to defend itself, thus eventually becoming under the control of a government thats actions are shameful.

What government would you be most proud to represent? I may want to move there, depending on the freedoms the citizens enjoy.


I may sound a bit sharp in some of my posts, so I have to tell you that I don't mean any disrespect.

Most governments are run by bastards. My government helped your government kill 30,000 civillians. That is not something I am proud of.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I'm from the UK. I'm ashamed of my governments actions, as should you be.

Please don't take a condescending tone.


The civilian's deaths are not something to be proud of. However, the fact that Saddam quite clearly isn't there anymore. That said, the US is utterly rubbish at peacekeeping and rebuilding nations - that's the UK's forte.

 

[CptStern]

it's far far far worse now that saddam is gone, no one can dispute that

 

[SAJ]

I fail to see what is so terrible about this Egyptian show (apart from the acting perhaps), sounds like the flip-side of something like 24 and its ilk.
As above, so below.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Erm, it actually makes some sense.

You can't go around f****g up the world and not expect it to be a little distrorted.

really? How did the US **** up Egypt :stare:

 

[ComradeBadger]

I fail to see what is so terrible about this Egyptian show (apart from the acting perhaps), sounds like the flip-side of something like 24 and its ilk.
As above, so below.

Agreed.



And Stern, we can hope that if we rebuild Iraq and hand it over properly it will be far better for all concerned.

 

[Ennui]

In english they talk peace. In arabic they talk war.

Maybe we should get the **** out of their countries and leave them to their business instead of imposing our idiot government's will all over them, eh?

 

[Raziaar]

Egypt used to be cool, back when the Pharaohs ruled the lands. Now they're just... meh, another middle eastern country with great history.

 

[Raziaar]

The civilian's deaths are not something to be proud of. However, the fact that Saddam quite clearly isn't there anymore. That said, the US is utterly rubbish at peacekeeping and rebuilding nations - that's the UK's forte.

UK has had hundreds and hundreds of years practice at conquering and oppressing foreign countries France too. of course we're awful at it... we've only been AROUND for hundreds of years.

EDIT: Oops... sorry for double post. Just woke up, forgot I had posted just previously.

 

[French Ninja]

Maybe we should get the **** out of their countries and leave them to their business instead of imposing our idiot government's will all over them, eh?

You're right. We should never get involved in another country ever again.
It's their problem!
We wouldn't want to be called Imperialists, now would we?

 

[CptStern]

You're right. We should never get involved in another country ever again.
It's their problem!
We wouldn't want to be called Imperialists, now would we?

there's a huge difference between this and this

 

[DeusExMachina]

I think the US should become isolationist again. We're damned if we do anything, damned if we don't, I think it'll be safer if we don't do anything.

Maybe everyone will stop bothering us too.

 

[French Ninja]

there's a huge difference between this and this

Humanitarian Aid alone cannot fix the world. Military action is sometimes needed.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Becoming isolationist is an option. Or they could just stop invading middle-eastern countries under the guise of freedom and democracy.

In english they talk peace? Which country is invading and causing all this trouble? The U.S.A i believe.

Is this thread a joke?

If they want to make fictional movies and TV series where America is the bad guy why should I care? We make fictional movies and TV series all the time that depicts middle-easterns as the bad guys.

Exactly.

Oh great, more than 75 killed in Iraq yesterday.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19061238-401,00.html

GFG to the greatest military force in the world. Can't defeat some ragtag arabs. It is an absolute joke of epic proportions.

Pathetic.

 

[CptStern]

I think the US should become isolationist again. We're damned if we do anything, damned if we don't, I think it'll be safer if we don't do anything.

Maybe everyone will stop bothering us too.

you make it sound like you help out of your own generosity, that the aid you provide is necessary to stop some humanitarian disaster from happening ...but in reality the kind of aid the US provides is always self-serving, even if it means supporting those that are responsible for the humanitarian disaster. If you were to compile a list of the all the people the US has helped gain power over the years it'd look like a rogue's gallery of the 20th centuries worst despots/tyrants/madmen/murderers. From Hugo Banzer to Pinochet, from Jonas Savimbi to Papa Doc Duvalier, from the Contras to SAVAK to Battalion 316 etc etc etc

Humanitarian Aid alone cannot fix the world. Military action is sometimes needed.

you prefer the latter over the former ...and it's seldom needed or asked for

 

[DeusExMachina]

you make it sound like you help out of your own generosity, that the aid you provide is necessary to stop some humanitarian disaster from happening ...but in reality the kind of aid the US provides is always self-serving, even if it means supporting those that are responsible for the humanitarian disaster. If you were to compile a list of the all the people the US has helped gain power over the years it'd look like a rogue's gallery of the 20th centuries worst despots/tyrants/madmen/murderers. From Hugo Banzer to Pinochet, from Jonas Savimbi to Papa Doc Duvalier, from the Contras to SAVAK to Battalion 316 etc etc etc

Did I claim responsibility for anything? No. You make it sound like I'm the American government.

 

[SAJ]

Its a myth that the USA was ever isolationist.
The history of America is consistantly littered with foreign interventions and invasions.
If you're American and you dont know this, unplug your computer and go stick your head in a book or two.

It really will help.

 

[CptStern]

Did I claim responsibility for anything? No. You make it sound like I'm the American government.

you = US, not you personally

 

[Mechagodzilla]

The popular Egyptian series presents the US as the leader of the imperialist forces in the world and as such responsible for the serious problems of the Arab world. Israel likewise is presented negatively. Iraq, on the other hand is presented positively as the innocent victim of American imperialist occupation for the purpose of stealing Iraqi oil.

Not to go far out on a limb but American imperialism, the illegality of the Iraq war and the quest for oil are all valid concerns, although inflated here.

Considering that a sizeable portion of Americans have voiced the same concerns, does the fact that the people are Arabic suddenly make it "anti-american hate speech propaganda" instead of just regular speech?

If they were advocating terrorism, I'd agree there's a problem, but all I'm seeing is "resistance". It's possible to resist something without blowing up civilians, you know.

That's not to say I agree with what is being said. The antisemetic statements are just plain retarded; those are the real troubling thing.

 

[Raziaar]

there's a huge difference between this and this

Yeah but then you help the wrong people... and then other people get pissed. And then you try to help those people. And other people get pissed.

You can't satisfy everybody. The world hates us if we help Israel for instance.

 

[Solaris]

Yeah but then you help the wrong people... and then other people get pissed. And then you try to help those people. And other people get pissed.

You can't satisfy everybody. The world hates us if we help Israel for instance.

Becuase Isreal are killing Palestinians on a daily basis.

 

[Raziaar]

Becuase Isreal are killing Palestinians on a daily basis.

Yes, and? Does that mean we still cannot provide them aid? I can understand if the aid is only military, but come on.

There are countries who's warlords kill people every day too... yet we still provide their people with aid such as food and such. So don't give me that.

 

[15357]

Yes, and? Does that mean we still cannot provide them aid? I can understand if the aid is only military, but come on.

There are countries who's warlords kill people every day too... yet we still provide their people with aid such as food and such. So don't give me that.

Not helping anyone might not piss people off, though...

 

[Raziaar]

Not helping anyone might not piss people off, though...

Yeah... **** the rest of the world.

Sorry... but I don't believe that. Countries in the world need help. I agree we shouldn't be forcing our militaries and all this change on most countries. Some need it, most don't. However... we should still help other countries, and not just the united states. Other countries too.

Truth is... if we just stopped helping people, we'd get just as much shit as we're getting today. People would hate us for entirely new rediculous reasons.

 

[Remus]

Truth is... if we just stopped helping people, we'd get just as much shit as we're getting today. People would hate us for entirely new rediculous reasons.

Too true