election coverage gets a-rolling

[sublidieminal]

Thanks for pointing that out, I'll remember that next time.

 

[Raziaar]

Not to nit pick or anything, but usually betrayal is a knife in the back, not the stomach.
:thumbs:

He's commiting seppuku.

 

[blahblahblah]

Clinton Leaving office = 2.6 trillion $ surplus.

Bush ending 1st term = 2 trillion $ defecit.

Those estimates were completely dependent on economic performance. I needn't mind you about the recession (that was not caused by Bush) and September 11 do I? The 1990's had the largest economic period of growth since the 1920's.

 

[hasan]

I think Bush won.
I sooo knew it.

 

[sublidieminal]

Well 9/11 is bush's fault, what ever happened to the avoided Presidential Daily Briefings?

 

[blahblahblah]

Well 9/11 is bush's fault, what ever happened to the avoided Presidential Daily Briefings?

Yeah, Bush had a specific briefing that terrorists were going to attack the Twin Towers and the pentagon.

Why didn't Clinton stop the USS Cole bombing then?

 

[Raziaar]

Well 9/11 is bush's fault, what ever happened to the avoided Presidential Daily Briefings?

You guys are morons if you think 9/11 is bush's fault. I mean, come on!

Lets blame Franklin D Roosevelt for pearl harbor, okay? :hmph:

 

[Lil' Timmy]

well, let's see what shape the country is in after 4 more years of this nightmare.
we can be sure of one thing, if it's still in the shitter, it'll be clinton's fault.

 

[PunisherUSA]

Those estimates were completely dependent on economic performance. I needn't mind you about the recession (that was not caused by Bush) and September 11 do I? The 1990's had the largest economic period of growth since the 1920's.

I concur.

Now that we're talking about the deficit...

I'm curious, did Clinton have a terrorist attack killing 3,000 during his term?
I hear the point on excessive legislature spending, and I agree. It's like children in a candy store. They overspent and there's no excuse. But that is certainly not the totality of the deficit.

 

[Top Secret]

I think Bush won.
I sooo knew it.

I think we all knew it. We just don't want it.

 

[P-Lo]

Yeah, Bush had a specific briefing that terrorists were going to attack the Twin Towers and the pentagon.

Why didn't Clinton stop the USS Cole bombing then?

Why didn't he? He should have. Just as Bush should had tooken heed to that specific briefing. They both made mistakes.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Do you know how many threats are made against the USA every day? It is impossible for a President to hear them all out and decide which attack is going to take place.

 

[hasan]

yes because the CIA knows everything, when and how it's gonna happen.

why do some people think that America is God?

 

[othello]

as of 12:24 pm

Bush = 269
Indiana
Kentucky
Georgia
West Virginia
Tennessee
Oklahoma
Alabama
S. Carolina
N. Carolina
Virginia
Kansas
Wyoming
Nebraska
Texas
S. Dakota
N. Dakota
Mississippi
Louisiana
Arkansas
Utah
Montana
Idaho
Arizona
Colorado
Florida
Ohio
Alaska

Kerry = 220
Vermont
New Jersey
Connecticut
Delaware
Massachusetts
Illinois
Maryland
D.C.
New York
Rhode Island
Maine
Pennsylvania
California
Washington
Oregon
Hawaii
New Hampshire
Minnesota

 

[Top Secret]

yes because the CIA knows everything, when and how it's gonna happen.

why do some people think that America is God?

Stop putting words in people's mouths.

 

[P-Lo]

as of 12:24 pm

Bush = 269
Indiana
Kentucky
Georgia
West Virginia
Tennessee
Oklahoma
Alabama
S. Carolina
N. Carolina
Virginia
Kansas
Wyoming
Nebraska
Texas
S. Dakota
N. Dakota
Mississippi
Louisiana
Arkansas
Utah
Montana
Idaho
Arizona
Colorado
Florida
Ohio
Alaska

Kerry = 220
Vermont
New Jersey
Connecticut
Delaware
Massachusetts
Illinois
Maryland
D.C.
New York
Rhode Island
Maine
Pennsylvania
California
Washington
Oregon
Hawaii
New Hampshire
Minnesota

Projected, not official from all newsstations. Either way, anything could happen.

 

[Death.Trap]

So far with 88% of the votes in Iowa counted, and Bush leading my 7000...I'm thinking he's gonna take Iowa for the win. I hope..

 

[hasan]

but you are talking as if they knew everything.

 

[sublidieminal]

Do you know how many threats are made against the USA every day? It is impossible for a President to hear them all out and decide which attack is going to take place.

I'm sure ambulances/police (underfunded by bush) wouldnt come on false alarms. I'm sure the third bomb threat on my school this year should have been ignored considering well.. it WAS the third one! How could we keep up!?!?!

We shouldn't waste our time, I mean if we get blown up, we get blown up right?

P.S. I'm sure many of those "Threats" came from Iraq right? OH YEAH THATS WHY WE WAGED WAR ON IRAQ! Because terrorists threatened us!

Oh wait, no they didn't. :hmph:

 

[MadHatter]

Those estimates were completely dependent on economic performance. I needn't mind you about the recession (that was not caused by Bush) and September 11 do I? The 1990's had the largest economic period of growth since the 1920's.

Keep trying to justify republicans shipping jobs overseas and negligence of the deficit. Oh yeah, and lets cut taxes while we're at it. But, lets spend here, there and everywhere while we're at it because lord knows only little Georgy Porgy can save us from Islamic fundamentalists and economic recession. Is it Bush, his administration and the republicans' fault? Oh heavens no, they only control the house of reps. congress, senate and the white house. Noooooo... They hold no responsibilty for the current economy and situations. Don't look to them for answers and solutions for this country, afterall, they're only the leaders of this country doing their job.

 

[MadHatter]

Well 9/11 is bush's fault, what ever happened to the avoided Presidential Daily Briefings?

I wouldn't go that far... The fawk heads in the Middle East are responsible for that.

 

[qckbeam]

Keep trying to justify republicans shipping jobs overseas and negligence of the deficit. Oh yeah, and lets cut taxes while we're at it. But, lets spend here, there and everywhere while we're at it because lord knows only little Georgy Porgy can save us from Islamic fundamentalists and economic recession. Is it Bush, his administration and the republicans fault? Oh heavens no, they only control the house of reps. congress, senate and the white house. Noooooo... They hold no responsibilty for the current economy and situations. Don't look to them for answers and solutions for this country, afterall, they're only the leaders of this country doing their job.

It's alllllll Clintons fault

 

[Top Secret]

I'm sure ambulances/police (underfunded by bush) wouldnt come on false alarms. I'm sure the third bomb threat on my school this year should have been ignored considering well.. it WAS the third one! How could we keep up!?!?!

We shouldn't waste our time, I mean if we get blown up, we get blown up right?

P.S. I'm sure many of those "Threats" came from Iraq right? OH YEAH THATS WHY WE WAGED WAR ON IRAQ! Because terrorists threatened us!

Oh wait, no they didn't. :hmph:

I've had 1 so far this school year. Happens 2-3 times per year on average.

 

[sublidieminal]

It's alllllll Clintons fault

lmfao, thats a good joke.

It was meant to be a joke, right?

 

[MadHatter]

Oh yeah, and then the administration and republicans go and start Vietnam 2 and expect the financial support to.... magically appear before them.

 

[PunisherUSA]

Keep trying to justify republicans shipping jobs overseas and negligence of the deficit. Oh yeah, and lets cut taxes while we're at it. But, lets spend here, there and everywhere while we're at it because lord knows only little Georgy Porgy can save us from Islamic fundamentalists and economic recession. Is it Bush, his administration and the republicans' fault? Oh heavens no, they only control the house of reps. congress, senate and the white house. Noooooo... They hold no responsibilty for the current economy and situations. Don't look to them for answers and solutions for this country, afterall, they're only the leaders of this country doing their job.

Sorry, overseas job shipping only has two minor flaws, a small rise unemployment and... well... unhappy unemployed people.

Do some research, it's actually economically beneficial. O wait. Liberal. That's right. Big business vs. middle class, my bad. You'll read the exact same facts a different way from me. Goes to show the whole 'polarized' deal.

 

[blahblahblah]

Keep trying to justify republicans shipping jobs overseas and negligence of the deficit. Oh yeah, and lets cut taxes while we're at it. But, lets spend here, there and everywhere while we're at it because lord knows only little Georgy Porgy can save us from Islamic fundamentalists and economic recession. Is it Bush, his administration and the republicans fault? Oh heavens no, they only control the house of reps. congress, senate and the white house. Noooooo... They hold no responsibilty for the current economy and situations. Don't look to them for answers and solutions for this country, afterall, they're only the leaders of this country doing their job.

You don't understand outsourcing, taxes, or economic cycles.

Outsourcing is a natural cycle. The US used to produce televisions, but we no longer. Did that injure the US economy? Quite the contrary, it allowed for the US economy to change to make sure the US maintains its competitive advantage. Innovation is the key feature why the US is a dominant economic superpower, not because of how many low-paying jobs we keep.

Taxes, I've gone over this before. By reducing taxes, you stimulate economic growth. The average tax rate for a business/person is in the 30% range. You reduce that rate, you give spare money to businesses/people which spend that extra money and stimulate the economy. As for rich people, the extra tax break they get actually goes back into the economy. Rich people will use that extra money to buy expensive products. Those expensive products create jobs that are higher paying because those products are higher margin products.

As for economic cycle, the president has little say in economic performance. The most he can do is alter tax law, which has a minimal effect on economic performance. He can't throw a country in a recession. That is pure garbage.

 

[MadHatter]

Sorry, overseas job shipping only has two minor flaws, a small rise unemployment and... well... unhappy unemployed people.

Do some research, it's actually economically beneficial. O wait. Liberal. That's right. Big business vs. middle class, my bad. You'll read the exact same facts a different way from me. Goes to show the whole 'polarized' deal.

It's easy to compose such a haughty post when you're not the one getting shafted by the out-sourcing -- hence, losing your job.

You speak as if liberal is a bad word. I pity that mentality. The root word of "liberal" is liberty. If you wish to classify me as a liberal, then so be it. I don't feel inclined to categorize individual people with such labels.

Last time I checked with common sense, jobs and companies moving overseas is a negative for the US. There goes a bunch of tax money, jobs that would result in tax money, the market takes punches, the technology industry takes punches, I could go on. Tell me another.

 

[othello]

lmfao, thats a good joke.

It was meant to be a joke, right?

actually its quite true. its sad when people dont take the time to do some research.

 

[Shocktech]

Well it appears Bush has won re-election. I could literally feel the depression sink me after watching the results tonight. Another 4 years of massive budget deficits, worthless healthcare "reform" and tax cuts for the richest 1% of the country.

There are to many stupid people living in this country. To many single issue gun and abortion voters...ugh..

Bush does everything wrong and still gets re-election. What in gods name is wrong with my fellow Americans. Wake up for christ sake..

 

[qckbeam]

What in gods name is wrong with my fellow Americans. Wake up for christ sake..

Something tells me we might be getting another rather large wake-up call sometime within the next four years

 

[Maxi]

Is ohio still too close to call? When I left for school it was 249 to 207, and according to sky it's now 249 to 217.

 

[MadHatter]

You don't understand outsourcing, taxes, or economic cycles.

Outsourcing is a natural cycle. The US used to produce televisions, but we no longer. Did that injure the US economy? Quite the contrary, it allowed for the US economy to change to make sure the US maintains its competitive advantage. Innovation is the key feature why the US is a dominant economic superpower, not because of how many low-paying jobs we keep.

Taxes, I've gone over this before. By reducing taxes, you stimulate economic growth. The average tax rate for a business/person is in the 30% range. You reduce that rate, you give spare money to businesses/people which spend that extra money and stimulate the economy. As for rich people, the extra tax break they get actually goes back into the economy. Rich people will use that extra money to buy expensive products. Those expensive products create jobs that are higher paying because those products are higher margin products.

As for economic cycle, the president has little say in economic performance. The most he can do is alter tax law, which has a minimal effect on economic performance. He can't throw a country in a recession. That is pure garbage.

Tell me, how are we to keep our innovation when our innovative jobs are leaving? What's to stop our businesses and jobs moving to India and China? Oh yeah, the US will just ALWAYS be a superpower, won't it? Look at what happened to Japan.

It's not the president soley damaging our economy, it's the republican monopoly. Too much capitalism is taking it's toll here.

 

[Death.Trap]

Is ohio still too close to call? When I left for school it was 249 to 207, and according to sky it's now 249 to 217.

It's actually 269 to 221 with Bush in the lead.

 

[colin4444]

Well it appears Bush has won re-election. I could literally feel the depression sink me after watching the results tonight. Another 4 years of massive budget deficits, worthless healthcare "reform" and tax cuts for the richest 1% of the country.

There are to many stupid people living in this country. To many single issue gun and abortion voters...ugh..

Bush does everything wrong and still gets re-election. What in gods name is wrong with my fellow Americans. Wake up for christ sake..

My sentiments exactly . . . ;(

 

[Raziaar]

Tell me, how are we to keep our innovation when our innovative jobs are leaving? What's to stop our businesses and jobs moving to India and China? Oh yeah, the US will just ALWAYS be a superpower, won't it? Look at what happened to Japan.

It's not the president soley damaging our economy, it's the republican monopoly. Too much capitalism is taking it's toll here.

There are big democratic companies too bro. Republicans aren't the only one running every single company in the united states. Many republicans are your average joe's. Like me. I'm not rich, i'm low to middle wealth, just like many republicans I know.

And I am against big buisness. Just because you are a republican doesn't mean you support it. I hate those big moneybags just as much as the next guy.

 

[Maxi]

It's actually 269 to 221 with Bush in the lead.

According to sky it's 249 to 221 now... What' your source? and does it contain any projections?

 

[MadHatter]

There are big democratic companies too bro. Republicans aren't the only one running every single company in the united states. Many republicans are your average joe's. Like me. I'm not rich, i'm low to middle wealth, just like many republicans I know.

And I am against big buisness. Just because you are a republican doesn't mean you support it. I hate those big moneybags just as much as the next guy.

I know. But, the republican party represents the corporate world and the democratic party represents little guy -- as they say.

You know what this country desperately needs? Reform. We need a third party that's actually a party. I'm so sick of this black or white, meat or potatoes crap. We need some great leaders, too. Everything is too polarized.

 

[P-Lo]

It's actually 269 to 221 with Bush in the lead.

According to Fox news, and some others. CNN is still trying to confirm. They don't want to make the same mistake they did in 2000. They even admitted to being embarrassed about that about an hour or so ago.

 

[blahblahblah]

Tell me, how are we to keep our innovation when our innovative jobs are leaving? What's to stop our businesses and jobs moving to India and China? Oh yeah, the US will just ALWAYS be a superpower, won't it? Look at what happened to Japan.

It's not the president soley damaging our economy, it's the republican monopoly. Too much capitalism is taking it's toll here.

Japan, is still a very powerful country. Their economic problem specifically lies within the Central Bank of Japan. It is not strong enough to take corrective action to fix the Japanese economy. The US does not have that problem. On a side note, the EU doesn't have a strong enough central bank to prevent a Japanese type recession. Same with China.

Innovation, as in creating new ideas. India's largest companies are not companies that are creating new products, rather they are companies that are trying to mimic the innovation pionerred by IBM and Oracle. Look at Google or Microsoft. Innovation is still alive in the US. We are in a transitionary period. I have no doubt we will recover rather quickly.

Socialism is the way to achieve economic growth and fix the current job situation. /sarcasm.