Paedophile Gets 431 Years In Jail

[15357]

Beg to differ.

How would you find out that someone is sexually attracted to children?

 

[Vegeta897]

Oh gee I dunno. Maybe by the person telling you?

 

[unozero]

some people are broken and cannot be fixed keeping them alive just for life's sake is a waste of space and money.

 

[15357]

Oh gee I dunno. Maybe by the person telling you?

I highly doubt that people would tell others about their sexual orientation if they thought that there was a nonzero chance of them (the latter) not being quite OK with the notion.

 

[Vegeta897]

Hey Numbers I'm a pedo.

I'm just saying that what you said is kind of silly. You're saying it's okay that pedos are seen as evil because the only time we know someone is a pedo is if they commit a crime.

Gosh, in that case, I wonder why pedos are so hesitant to reveal this bit of information about themselves? This is exactly like a homosexual's reluctance to reveal his orientation to a society that hates gays.

And don't tell me it's a special case because there's no legal (or moral) way to pursue their desire. There are plenty of ways to satiate a sexual desire of any kind without harming others. Rape is illegal, but simulated rape porn is a common fetish. Hell, you can even role play it. But rape is illegal and immoral! Should we burn people who admit to having rape fantasies?

 

[CptStern]

Bah. France did it after WW2.

for pedophiles? or for those accused of treason?

Besides, why can't it happen? It's not an impossibility. There is no reason that democratic nations cannot be utterly harsh to criminals. Especially if they keep it a secret.

keeping it secret is what totalitarian regimes do. no surprise you'd be all for it

Kidnapped then limbs cut off. I have no idea if that picture was true or not, but it was seriously disturbing.

she became a prostitute after getting her limbs cut off? the criminals could have gotten a lot more money off of her had they left her limbs intact

You understand that as long as pedos aren't committing crimes, they don't get found out? So in the absolute majority of cases, the subject of kill the pedos movements would actually deserve it.

you assume all pedos get caught. you also assume that killling them (in secret no less; see above) would be a detrent to future pedos. I mean criminals are deterred from commiting crimes because of the threat of jailtime so it's no stretch of the imagination to believe capital punishment will deter pedos. it works for murderers and cop killers

 

[15357]

Hey Numbers I'm a pedo.

I'm just saying that what you said is kind of silly. You're saying it's okay that pedos are seen as evil because the only time we know someone is a pedo is if they commit a crime.

Gosh, in that case, I wonder why pedos are so hesitant to reveal this bit of information about themselves? This is exactly like a homosexual's reluctance to reveal his orientation to a society that hates gays.

Uh, well, I wasn't saying that exactly , but I suppose you have a point.

I was basing my "theory" on the fact that, yes, it is actually kinda like homosexuality - pedophiles are found out only when they commit a crime, because they don't tell people that they are pedophiles lest they get persecuted.

I suppose persecuting pedos is kinda like persecuting gays simply because of their sexuality and therefore wrong. It's hard to wrap my mind around this though. Maybe it's an automatic reaction or something, but I associate pedo with IMPRISON THE SICK ****S! It's actually weird when you think about it.

for pedophiles? or for those accused of treason?

You're going to have to explain why a punishment for one severe crime cannot be punishment for another severe crime.

keeping it secret is what totalitarian regimes do. no surprise you'd be all for it

And the CIA. But I don't think this is something on-topic.

she became a prostitute after getting her limbs cut off? the criminals could have gotten a lot more money off of her had they left her limbs intact

How in the living heck should I know?

you assume all pedos get caught. you also assume that killling them (in secret no less; see above) would be a detrent to future pedos. I mean criminals are deterred from commiting crimes because of the threat of jailtime so it's no stretch of the imagination to believe capital punishment will deter pedos. it works for murderers and cop killers

I wasn't saying kill them as in kill them. It was in response to the reaction of people who as mentioned in Solaris's post "Kill Pedos" blah blah blah.

Anyway, criminal law/justice is half deterrence and half retribution. I also am not getting the point of your posts.

 

[CptStern]

I was basing my "theory" on the fact that, yes, it is actually kinda like homosexuality - pedophiles are found out only when they commit a crime, because they don't tell people that they are pedophiles lest they get persecuted.

just stop talking


pedophilia is absolutely nothing like homosexuality. pedophiles get off on victemizing an innocent. homosexuality is consensual between adults

 

[Vegeta897]

I suppose persecuting pedos is kinda like persecuting gays simply because of their sexuality and therefore wrong. It's hard to wrap my mind around this though. Maybe it's an automatic reaction or something, but I associate pedo with IMPRISON THE SICK ****S! It's actually weird when you think about it.

There have been a handful of threads here in the past that contained an overwhelming air of acceptance of pedophilia, and strong disapproval against those who express such ignorant hatred toward it. Those threads really made me feel proud to be a part of this community.

pedophilia is absolutely nothing like homosexuality. pedophiles get off on victemizing an innocent. homosexuality is consensual between adults

Yay let's draw unrelated comparisons between the two that have nothing to do with the point of the analogy!

 

[15357]

Well, I was taking Solaris and Vegeta's collective word for it. It's a sexual orientation, isn't it?

There have been a handful of threads here in the past that contained an overwhelming air of acceptance of pedophilia, and strong disapproval against those who express such ignorant hatred toward it. Those threads really made me feel proud to be a part of this community.

Ya, sorry. I'm just ignorant.

 

[CptStern]

no their sexual orientation is gay or straight with a preference for underage. most identify with being straight.

 

[Krynn72]

Orientation is the wrong word for it. Its sexual attraction, and in that sense, pedophilia is no difference than hetero/homosexuality. Its an attraction that is beyond the person's control. Pedophiles don't get off on victimizing an innocent. Thats a rapist, and rapists come in many forms including heterosexual, homosexual, and pedophile.

 

[CptStern]

pedophiles are about control. the engage in a "grooming" period before committing the crime

http://www.radcliffe-oxford.com/books/samplechapter/7742/Powell_03-73920800rdz.pdf

 

[Stylo]

Wow, there sure are a lot of experts on paedophiles around here!

 

[CptStern]

it's a test to reveal them so that they can be taken out back and shot



..or that's how it would go if I were in charge

 

[Stylo]

I'll git mah shotgun which I keeps right next to the pitchfork 'n' torches hyuck hyuck!

 

[Krynn72]

Child rapists are about control. the engage in a "grooming" period before committing the crime

http://www.radcliffe-oxford.com/books/samplechapter/7742/Powell_03-73920800rdz.pdf

Fixed that for you.

EDIT: That 'source' of yours reads like a writer's outline for a movie or something. Whoever wrote that used his imagination as a source of information far more than he used actual research, I guarantee it. In fact, the only reference listed in it was an "awareness seminar." Yeah.

 

[Vegeta897]

What Krynn said. Stern don't know shit about shit.

 

[CptStern]

Fixed that for you.

but ..child rapists are technically pedophiles. you dont have to engage in an act to be a pedophile

 

[Krynn72]

but ..child rapists are technically pedophiles. you dont have to engage in an act to be a pedophile

No ****ing shit. A lion is an animal but not all animals are not lions. A child rapist is a pedophile, but not all pedos are child rapists.

You are suggesting prosecution of people who have committed no crime simply because they have a taboo sexual attraction (which they've not indulged in). You're suggesting punishment of thought crimes.

 

[CptStern]

No ****ing shit. A lion is an animal but not all animals are not lions. A child rapist is a pedophile, but not all pedos are child rapists.

You are suggesting prosecution of people who have committed no crime simply because they have a taboo sexual attraction (which they've not indulged in). You're suggesting punishment of thought crimes.

ya pretty much. and who said anything about punishing? ..ok taking them out back and shooting them is sort of a punishment but I see it more as a final solution than a punishment. why wait around waiting for it to happen? right between the eyes

 

[Krynn72]

Why discriminate? Lets go around putting one in between everyone's eyes. Everyone has sexual attractions, everyone is capable of rape, so why are we just waiting around for it to happen?

 

[CptStern]

no not everyone is capable of rape or else rapey rape would have it's own speciality channel and how to courses

have kids and then you'll understand

 

[Krynn72]

no not everyone is capable of rape

Yes they are. But people don't because they're not rapists and don't want to be rapists and are good people.

have kids and then you'll understand

I already understand. You have kids and your fear for them clouds your judgement. I understand that as well, but it doesn't change the fact that prosecuting people for thought crimes is a heinous notion.

 

[CptStern]

Yes they are. But people don't because they're not rapists and don't want to be rapists and are good people.

so they're incapable

I already understand.

no you dont. I didnt either till I had kids

You have kids and your fear for them clouds your judgement. I understand that as well, but it doesn't change the fact that prosecuting people for thought crimes is a heinous notion.

pedophiles are a more heinous notion and frankly I couldnt give two shits whether their rights are beign infringed upon. and no it's not irrational at all. I wouldnt want say vegeta within a hundred yards of my kids. he could tell me he's not going to do anything till he's blue in the face but that wont change the fact that there's the potential there

the litmus test is for someone like vegeta to tell him mom, friends, girfriend that he's attracted to little kids. he doesnt even have to admit to anything besides attraction and he'll be either shunned or told to seek help

 

[Raziaar]

Hey Numbers I'm a pedo.

You're undoubtedly different than most. You're currently in an environment that you feel you can tell people. You tell me and I do nothing other than ****ing berate you and tell you to stop talking to me about ****ing disgusting pedophile things. The people on these forums do nothing other than laugh and make jokes really.

But the case for most people, and the case for yourself, is that you will not be telling the rest of the people in your life. You won't be telling your family, you won't be telling your employers, you won't be telling any casual person or most regular friends you have because those people are going to react very, very poorly. It really is quite how I'd react, except that you told me long after we had already established a friendship. If you told people and didn't follow it up with all the disgusting shit you say about it to try and extend the subject, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad... but well, you don't do that.

 

[Krynn72]

so they're incapable

If you think not wanting to do something means you're incapable, then its just a semantics argument. Either way, someone who is a pedophile doesn't by definition want to be a rapist (and by your phrasing, is not by definition, necessarily capable of being one).

no you dont. I didnt either till I had kids

Yes, I do. Since we're throwing around assumptions, then I'll assume you understood too, until your fear overcame your judgement.

pedophiles are a more heinous notion and frankly I couldnt give two shits whether their rights are beign infringed upon. and no it's not irrational at all.

That is irrational. Not wanting to have your kids around them is a reasonable reaction, but wanting to violate basic human rights because you fear them is not rational.

the litmus test is for someone like vegeta to tell him mom, friends, girfriend that he's attracted to little kids. he doesnt even have to admit to anything besides attraction and he'll be either shunned or told to seek help

The litmus test for what? The morality of one's attraction? The way people react has no bearing on the morality or immorality of anything. Until recently gays couldn't admit to their attraction without being either shunned or told to seek help either. History is littered with ignorant people reacting poorly to something that is not immoral, but that has never justified a violation of human rights when no act or crime has been committed.

 

[CptStern]

If you think not wanting to do something means you're incapable, then its just a semantics argument. Either way, someone who is a pedophile doesn't by definition want to be a rapist (and by your phrasing, is not by definition, necessarily capable of being one).

I understand the distinction. dfor example I dont have a desire to rape someone and I know I'm incapable of it. remember that seinfeld scene where George was caught with his pants down and jerry's girlfriend laughed at the size of dick "I WAS IN THE POOL" ..ya same thing but without the pool

Yes, I do.

no you dont

Since we're throwing around assumptions, then I'll assume you understood too, until your fear overcame your judgement.

and no I didnt understand. and it wasnt fear that made me understand it was experience

That is irrational. Not wanting to have your kids around them is a reasonable reaction, but wanting to violate basic human rights because you fear them is not rational.

how am I being irrational? would you allow your kids to hang out with vegeta just because he hasnt offended yet? you're really going to take that chance? I'd rather not

The litmus test for what?

for how acceptable simply beign attracted to children is.

The morality of one's attraction? The way people react has no bearing on the morality or immorality of anything. Until recently gays couldn't admit to their attraction without being either shunned or told to seek help either. History is littered with ignorant people reacting poorly to something that is not immoral, but that has never justified a violation of human rights when no act or crime has been committed.

ok you're being silly and comparing apples to oranges. homosexuality is consensual, child rape/abuse is not

 

[Solaris]

Stern, I would not be comfortable letting any child knowingly hang out in the proximity of a pedophile.

However, if I know of a pedophile who has never acted, nor ever tried to get especially close to a child, then I will always be cautious of them but at the same time am willing to say live and let live.

Do you think people who are born with a sexual preference, something for which they have no control over, should be punished/shot/imprisoned for that?

It is a mans actions that matter, not his thoughts.

 

[Krynn72]

I understand the distinction. dfor example I dont have a desire to rape someone and I know I'm incapable of it. remember that seinfeld scene where George was caught with his pants down and jerry's girlfriend laughed at the size of dick "I WAS IN THE POOL" ..ya same thing but without the pool

Ok, I really don't know what you're saying anymore, so allow me to try and retrace our steps. You said we should kill pedophiles because they might rape a child since they're attracted to children. I said that by the same logic we should kill hetero/homosexuals because they might rape a person because they're attracted to those people. You come back and say that not everyone is capable of rape. I say they are, because by your logic (as exemplified by your "kill pedos" stance) having an attraction means you're capable of rape. I say that people aren't rapists because they dont have the desire to rape, despite having an attraction, which is true of anybody regardless of whether they're pedophile or not. You then say that because non-pedos don't have the desire to rape, they're incapable, which goes against your original notion that attraction leads to rape. So you are either arguing that attraction leads to rape, or that not all pedos are capable of rape. Right now you're arguing for both and being hypocritical and quite irrational.

no you dont

Yes, I do.

and no I didnt understand. and it wasnt fear that made me understand it was experience

I won't deny the possibility that you didn't understand before, like I said I was just playing the assumption game with you. Having children doesn't change the laws of morality, it only gives you another phobia to worry about. A pedophile is not necessarily going to rape your kids, just like a heterosexual man is not necessarily going to rape your sister. What you're talking about is paranoia, not understanding.

how am I being irrational? would you allow your kids to hang out with vegeta just because he hasnt offended yet? you're really going to take that chance? I'd rather not

As I said, not allowing your kids to hang out with someone IS a rational notion, be he a pedophile or a douchebag or a republican or whatever. You don't want your kids to hang around someone who could be detrimental to them. I'm talking about persecution of someone just because they could be detrimental. Keeping your kids away from someone is not persecution and it is not violating a person's human rights.

for how acceptable simply beign attracted to children is.

Who the **** is suggesting that it is socially acceptable?

ok you're being silly and comparing apples to oranges. homosexuality is consensual, child rape/abuse is not

And you're intentionally being daft, misconstruing my point so you can avoid owning up to what you're suggesting. Homosexuality is not consensual. It is not even something that has multiple participants. It is a physical attraction, nothing more nothing less. It does not, by definition, require the action of 'heterosexual intercourse.' Pedophilia is the same thing in that regard. The difference is the legality and morality of the associated, but not mandatory action of intercourse.

If you still continue down this line, avoiding and intentionally misinterpreting my point despite all the italicized words I've written, then you're simply not worth talking to because you're a contented bigot.

 

[unozero]

no not everyone is capable of rape or else rapey rape would have it's own speciality channel and how to courses

have kids and then you'll understand

I got bad news for all of us.

http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/

 

[Vegeta897]

the litmus test is for someone like vegeta to tell him mom, friends, girfriend that he's attracted to little kids. he doesnt even have to admit to anything besides attraction and he'll be either shunned or told to seek help

Why would I want to tell my family? It's not like being a pedophile is a huge life choice like homosexuality. It's not like I'm going to marry a child. For me, and most people who aren't rapists or people sick in the head, pedophilia is a fetish like any other. They can indulge it in safe and harmless ways. Would you tell your family that you have a rape fetish? Scat fetish? Necrophilia? No. Does that mean you 'failed' this test and you should be shunned from society because you have these dark secrets you don't want to share? And for the record, my girlfriend does know, and she accepts me because she's not a ****ing idiot.

You're undoubtedly different than most. You're currently in an environment that you feel you can tell people. You tell me and I do nothing other than ****ing berate you and tell you to stop talking to me about ****ing disgusting pedophile things. The people on these forums do nothing other than laugh and make jokes really.

The stuff I say to you that grosses you out is on purpose, because it's fun.

But the case for most people, and the case for yourself, is that you will not be telling the rest of the people in your life. You won't be telling your family, you won't be telling your employers, you won't be telling any casual person or most regular friends you have because those people are going to react very, very poorly.

Just like they would react to any other weird sexual fetish. I have no reason to tell them and they don't want to know. What is the problem, and what does this prove?

 

[Viperidae]

I'm a serial killer. I don't tell people so they let me get near them. The only way to protect yourself from other psychopaths like me is to avoid any and all contact with humanity.

Also:

the litmus test is for an otaku nerd is to tell him mom, friends, girfriend that he's attracted to anime girls. he doesnt even have to admit to anything besides attraction and he'll be either shunned or told to seek help

the litmus test is for a bdsm fetishist is to tell him mom, friends, girfriend that he's attracted to dominatrices. he doesnt even have to admit to anything besides attraction and he'll be either shunned or told to seek help

the litmus test is for pole humpers is to tell him mom, friends, girfriend that he's attracted to lamp-posts. he doesnt even have to admit to anything besides attraction and he'll be either shunned or told to seek help

the litmus test is for a gay man is to tell him mom, friends, girfriend that he's attracted to men. he doesnt even have to admit to anything besides attraction and he'll be either shunned or told to seek help

 

[Stylo]

I got bad news for all of us.

http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/

This is possibly the most f*cking ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life.

Yeah, we're all rapists, pretty much. Feel bad, we're all coming to impregnate you against your will.

 

[KiplingsCat]

Yeah, I'd consider myself very much a feminist, but I thought that list was totally ridiculous too. Some stuff on it made a little sense but most of it was crazy and hateful.

 

[Stylo]

Yeah, I watched porn once and when I finished watching it I just thought, you know what, Rape is cool by me, I'm down with that if people wanna commit it.

 

[KiplingsCat]

I'd certainly be much happier and not concerned at all if my boyfriend watched porn that didn't depict women.

 

[Remus]

I'd certainly be much happier and not concerned at all if my boyfriend watched porn that didn't depict women.

So bestiality porn is fine? OK cool.

 

[unozero]

viper got the post of the year award lol.

 

[Zephos]

Haha well the title of this thread gave away entirely what I'd find inside.

Why would I want to tell my family? It's not like being a pedophile is a huge life choice like homosexuality. It's not like I'm going to marry a child. For me, and most people who aren't rapists or people sick in the head, pedophilia is a fetish like any other. They can indulge it in safe and harmless ways.

I'm interested in this point actually. Are we referring to loli (excuse me if my terminology is incorrect) and mere fantasies in one's head? I can understand these are safe and harmless, and that is enough for you. The issue for me is, for many other pedophiles, does loli even appeal to them (do they even have knowledge of it?), and do mere fantasies satisfy their needs? How many turn to looking up child pornography (certainly not safe or harmless for the victims of said pictures) when other forms do not appeal to them? I know this requires statistics that you obviously do not own. It's just of my opinion that I feel that pedophilia as a fetish, by it's nature, seems more dangerous than the orientation of homosexuality or heterosexuality because to indulge in it via any other means than the ones you described is to involve the non consent of a human being. I guess I'm being naive, but I hope you can see what I'm getting at?

I should iterate I have no fault with your pedophilia and the way you approach it. I agree that it's completely harmless.