US releases 9/11 Pentagon video

clarky003 said:
Those facts dont provide any concrete evidence specific to a 757,
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THey do.

now my point being is that the highway and Sheraton hotel videos would provide that evidence and if you read what I said im not denieing any of it, but attacking and shouting at me wont get those videos released any faster.
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Well, how do you expect me to react?

To put this in perspective. Try to remain serious when reading this:
How about if I start calling England Nazi Germany or something? Would you get tired of it if I did it 3 times in the same thread? Would you get tired of it if you heard it over and over every day, thread after thread? This is the shit I read from you guys every day it seems and it's never any compelling arguments even. I can understand being alarmed if you really had something, but god damn.


You are arguing that there is no facts that it is a 757, but the facts have ALREADY been posted and I have reposted them and are right there in my last post. Read all about it and you will be convinced.





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I don't know man. I read all of this
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060704_tripod_fema.html


a link of off what you posted. the war games thing I had never heard of. Why didn't you post this in the first place? When you said war games, I thought you were talking about some 1983 movie that was released on 9-11-1983 or something. This is why I got so carried away when I was talking about Lunar cycles and jesus's birthday!


To be honest, it doesn't make any sense to me. The writer claims to be a journalist but I can't make any sense of what he is saying. Seriously. He sounds like one of these UFO guys to me. The war games thing with the planes crashing is interesting but has absolutely no proof whatsoever. NOthing. in fact read these

The limited public information on these exercises shows that they simulated the following kinds of events.
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This story is a great fiction novel. WHERE IS THE PROOF??? I clicked every link and read everything. Nothing pointing to anything but speculation and dreamed up fiction and what looks like typed up false articles from Canada.

Whats all the Canadian newspaper thing? What does this prove? If it is real, it proves mother****ers were scared when they saw planes crash and nothing more that would support his argument.
 
clarky003 said:
It's the lack of counter reaction thereafter which is what boggles my mind, multiple hijackings, with no defense or response till it's far too late... and then the claim that it was a defense failiure but to contradict that claim.. there have been no reprimands to this day.
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Yes... there was tons of time to launch a plane full of special operatives, fly a plane adjacent to the hijacking planes, board them in some crazy plane-to-plane way and take down the hijackers before they flew into their target.

/sarcasm

Seriously though... what could they have done? Shoot down the civilian planes? Only after the planes flew into buildings would that have become viable, and by then most of the planes are gone already(since hijackings in the past resulted not in this sort of outcome). There wasn't enough time to do anything to save the day once those planes were already on their way...
 
The question is what is the difference of this tape from the tape that recorded WTC impact? Why the WTC tape could be broadcast immediately and was on TV repeatedly but this Pentagon one couldn't? It took more than 4 years to do it. To perfect the film without any flaw?

The release of Pentagon tape follows Moussaoui's case, Flight 93 tape release and new "Flight 93" film. It obviously belongs to a movement activated by government to quell the increasing allegation that 911 attack was an insider job. This government is good at cheating with its disinformation "strategy office". The so said Judicial Watch coordinated with government very well.
 
I work for the government.

The hidden tapes show that the plane was attacked by radioactive Isotope Money.

That is why we can never release them.
 
kathaksung said:
The question is what is the difference of this tape from the tape that recorded WTC impact? Why the WTC tape could be broadcast immediately and was on TV repeatedly but this Pentagon one couldn't? It took more than 4 years to do it. To perfect the film without any flaw?

The release of Pentagon tape follows Moussaoui's case, Flight 93 tape release and new "Flight 93" film. It obviously belongs to a movement activated by government to quell the increasing allegation that 911 attack was an insider job. This government is good at cheating with its disinformation "strategy office". The so said Judicial Watch coordinated with government very well.
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because the tape was used as evidence in the trial...
 
kathaksung said:
The so said Judicial Watch coordinated with government very well.
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what? it was released through the freedom of information act

reuters said:
The video, released by the government in conjunction with a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the Judicial Watch legal activist group
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To you conspiracy theorists:

Can you calculate the number of people who would have to be in on the conspiracy?

Including the likes of: intelligence officials, airline workers, security workers, government officials, families, travel agencies, etc.
 
dys4iK

It's already been done mate.( and pointed out to them)

* CIA agent Larry Mitchell for meeting with bin Laden in the months before 9/11, and everyone else in the CIA who knows they're not actually trying to capture him after all
* GW Bush and various family members (if you're to believe the relevance of Bush family members being involved with the WTC security company Stratesec)
* Condoleezza Rice (if you believe she had enough knowledge to warn Willie Brown that he might be in danger)
* John Ashcroft (if you believe he had enough knowledge to decide not to fly commercial flights)
* Larry Silverstein (if you believe he knew 9/11 was coming and that there were explosives in WTC7)
* The 19 people who played the part of the hijackers, if you believe they were just their to play a role and were never on the planes
* Enough senior people at the FBI to block progress in the Moussaoui case, ensure the Phoenix memo was ignored, and more
* Ahmad Umar Sheikh for funding the hijackers, General Mahmoud Ahmad for ordering him to do so, and enough of the ISI to get the money and cover up that they were doing this for the US
* Everyone who found out about the attacks in advance, and chose not to go into work rather than warn anyone else, and didn't mention this after the fact (thousands of Israelis in the towers, and so on), and everyone who warned them
* Everyone responsible for the insider trading before the attacks, the CIA for supposedly monitoring these transactions but doing nothing about them, and enough of the SEC and FBI to ensure that the report was a whitewash
* The members of Bush’s secret service team on 9/11 (who presumably either knew in advance that he was safe, or haven’t spoken out about their surprise about what happened subsequently)
* The five "dancing Israelis" who filmed the attack "as it happened", and presumably many others in Israeli Intelligence, and enough people in the police or FBI to cover up the details of the case and get them shipped out
* Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the hijackers cars, bags and so on
* Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the WTC wreckage (passports etc), or removing it (WTC black boxes)
* Air Traffic Control and flight schedulers at the takeoff airports (to cope with the double flights), and to make sure they didn't follow procedure in reporting the hijackings promptly
* Whoever prepared the "special" planes swapped for the real flights, complete with "missile pod" for firing into the towers just before impact, and the ATC and Norad staff who didn't mention the swap
* Norad and senior officers working at the day (so they could lie about the war games and their lack of response)
* Fighter pilots who deliberately flew too slowly so they wouldn't reach the aircraft in time
* Whoever shot down Flight 93, and the senior officers who helped cover it up
* Everyone who researched the passengers, then all the actors who used that research to make fake mobile calls to their relatives, and either the phone company or the FBI for covering up the phone records
* Everyone involved in killing hundreds of passengers, assuming they didn't die in the crashes and were killed later
* Everyone involved in transporting their bodies to the various scenes if they did, or faking the DNA evidence if they didn't
* The people who researched the WTC to find out the best place to place explosives
* The people who planted the explosives through the WTC towers and WTC7
* Whoever detonated the WTC explosives at various different times of the day
* Enough of the New York Fire and Police Departments to shut up everyone else and make sure they didn't try to investigate why all their friends and colleagues died
* Everyone who prepared the remote control plane that really flew into the Pentagon, and whoever remote-controlled it, and the Washington Air Traffic Controllers who aren't allowed to talk about the extra radar blip they saw over the Pentagon (if Flight 77 really flew over it)
* The Sheraton hotel staff who reportedly saw the video of the plane as it flew past to the Pentagon, but have never said that it wasn't the "official" flight
* The people who ensured the Pentagon missile defence systems were disabled to the plane could hit
* The people who planted the fake Pentagon evidence, from body parts to black boxes, and those who prepared it
* The people who faked additional evidence around the Pentagon, bringing down lampposts etc in an effort to make it look like a large winged plane carried out the attack
* Rudolph Giuliani for having advance knowledge that the WTC was going to collapse, and for helping to ensure that the steel was disposed of quickly
* Enough people at American and United Airlines to keep quiet about the absence of the hijackers names from the passenger manifests
* Enough people at CNN not to question the absence of the hijackers names from the flight manifests, if you believe that's what their victims lists really are
* Enough people at FEMA and NIST to ensure any reports and analyses produced were whitewashes
* Enough senior officials at the many WTC insurance companies to ensure the doubts were ignored and claims were paid
* Everyone involved in producing the fake bin Laden "confession" video(s)
* Khalid Al-Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Bin Al-Sheeba for discussing how they planned 9/11 on audio tape even though this didn’t happen, and perhaps al Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda for getting the interview (if we assume he knows it isn't true)
* All the other Al Qaeda members who've either implicitly or explicitly accepted responsibility for 9/11, even when they know it was carried out by someone else
* The staff of the 9/11 Commission for deliberately obscuring the truth.

http://www.911myths.com/html/who_knew_.html

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But even this list is not complete as it does not include the people who helped and assisted NIST in the cover up.

The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) Coalition,
The Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE)
The National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)
The American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC)
The Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY)
The Local authorities in New York
The Port Authority of NY & NJ
The Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management
The New York City Department of Design and Construction
The Fire Department of New York

http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/NIST STatement.html

Nor does it include all the professional bodies from the entire planet who agree with NIST.

Those being.

Institutes of Civil Engineers
Institutes of Structural Engineers
Institutes of Fire/safety Engineers
Institutes of Demolition Engineers.

Nor does it include guys like Mecha who are clearly plants and on the pay role of the CIA whose job it is to go on internet forums and spread disinformation. Nor the hundreds if not thousands of other CIA internet plants who try in vain to reason with these idiots.
 
Don't forget that I'm in the conspiracy.


Speaking of which, the entire concept of logical thought and reason are what do the single most substantial amount of damage to the "truth" movement.

"Scientific philosophy" was invented in the 4th century BCE, with one purpose: stopping nonsensical religious beliefs. Therefore it is a tool of the zionist governments.

Thank God that you soldiers of light are here to help protect Bush from the secular agenda.

Down with science!

Up with nonsense!

Every time that someone points out a dramatic error in logic and you just shrug it off and keep on repeating the same discredited catchphrases, you are helping to save George W. Bush from "the thinkers".

All this time, I was testing you to ensure that you are worthy. My goal was to present you the satanic temptation of Knowledge, yet your resistance to it has exceeded my every expectation!
Ignorance, glorious ignorance! Hallelujah!

God bless you all!

George has asked me to give his thanks to the lot of you.
 
it's strange that they held on to this for so long. you still can't see anything. CCTV shoots @ 1fps so unless they'd inserted some extra frames of a big fat 757 with hani hanjour waving to his mum from the cockpit window, it was never going to change anything
 
Why can't they release footage from the other cameras that were confiscated around the pentagon?
 
Glirk Dient said:
because the tape was used as evidence in the trial...
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Why? They told us the plane hit the building, why couldn't they just show us? Its not like the video would make or break mousoui's case, its obviously something happened to the pentagon, so why is a video of a plane hitting the pentagon not shown? Also, they didn't have a case against him the DAY OF the events, so how did they know to hold all this footage for a case they would later make against someone they didn't even know about yet because they didn't even know what happened or who orchestrated the attacks until a few days later....

It just doens't make any sense.
 
dys4iK said:
To you conspiracy theorists:

Can you calculate the number of people who would have to be in on the conspiracy?

Including the likes of: intelligence officials, airline workers, security workers, government officials, families, travel agencies, etc.
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oe, you're forgetting the millions of civilians who would have seen the cruise missile or drone, flying (low) into the pentagon at broad daylight.
And pay them/threaten them all to say : "it was a passenger plane".
:smoking:
 
How many cameras were pointed at the Pentagon at the time of the plane strike?
 
I think there were four. Two were released (these ones) and two were confiscated. The confiscated ones were I think from a third-party; one's from a hotel or something. As for the other, I have no idea.
 
Ome_Vince said:
oe, you're forgetting the millions of civilians who would have seen the cruise missile or drone, flying (low) into the pentagon at broad daylight.
And pay them/threaten them all to say : "it was a passenger plane".
:smoking:
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Ome, don't you know one of the conditions required, that allows you, to become a truth seeker is to simply ignore anything close to logic, including all the eyewitness accounts?

http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/911_dump_of_Pentagon_quotes.html
 
Innervision961 said:
can anyone answer my above question?
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The only answer I can give you, and I'm sure it will not quiet the conspirators, is that the request was for videos showing the impact of flight 77.

These videos have now been released. There are no other videos showing the impact ( or so I am led to believe).

Here is the request

http://www.flight77.info/docs/part2/part2-Images/0.jpg

Here are the replies (or the parts I can find).

http://www.flight77.info/dec1/mcquredec06.jpg
http://www.flight77.info/dec1/mcquredec07.jpg

Whether anybody believes there are no other videos showing the impact or whether people will see this a part of the on going cover up is entirely up to themselves.

I personally believe there is more than enough, evidence, eye witness accounts and photographs to show that flight 77 went into the Pentagon. They are already posted here in this thread.
 
baxter said:
The only answer I can give you, and I'm sure it will not quiet the conspirators, is that the request was for videos showing the impact of flight 77.

These videos have now been released. There are no other videos showing the impact ( or so I am led to believe).

Here is the request

http://www.flight77.info/docs/part2/part2-Images/0.jpg

Here are the replies (or the parts I can find).

http://www.flight77.info/dec1/mcquredec06.jpg
http://www.flight77.info/dec1/mcquredec07.jpg

Whether anybody believes there are no other videos showing the impact or whether people will see this a part of the on going cover up is entirely up to themselves.

I personally believe there is more than enough, evidence, eye witness accounts and photographs to show that flight 77 went into the Pentagon. They are already posted here in this thread.
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I'm not doubting a plane flew into the pentagon here, for a second, lets forget all about that argument. My bottome line question is:

With the insanity and confusion surrounding the attacks of 9/11 the day of, and up to three or four days after, how did the justice department know to immediately confiscate and classify these tapes of the pentagon attack for a trial against a man from al qaeda, when no one even knew if the attacks where orchestrated, let alone by who at that point.

So either they are phsycic, or they have something else going on... Either way I don't think they are being %100 open with the people of this country. I want to know how showing footage of a plane hitting a building can sway a jury case in either direction, since everyone KNEW a plane hit the building, why couldn't they just show it?
 
I am led to believe the reason they didn't show it at the trial was at the defence’s request.
They requested that, as some of the evidence was upsetting, they wanted it toned down. Hence the reason why the video was not shown.

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=MOUSSAOUI-04-11-06

And I do agree with you that they are not being entirely open with you and I do believe they failed miserably with the warnings prior to 9/11.

Why they would wish to confiscate these tapes in the first place is anybodies guess, and to be honest not something I would even speculate about. Maybe it was just down to the panic and confusion afterwards, like I said who knows? But I wouldn't say it implicates the US directly of being involved.
I also understand at the time they had not made the connection between Moussaoui and the attacks.
Maybe a few guys got a bit twitchy when they realised that had this connection been made, maybe 9/11 could have been prevented.

If you were to look at the confiscation of videos and the refusal to put it forward along with other evidence,then I would simply see this as arse covering, kind of " Jesus how they hell did we not notice?", especially after all the warnings and the fact they already had one of them in custody.

EDIT... I have always maintained this is where the real cover up is, not in bombs, missiles or any other wild covert operations. The intelligence failing prior to 9/11 is there for all to see, it is well documented.
What do the truth seekers do? Simply bury it in their websites so it actually becomes part of the conspiracy culture, good on em.
 
You can write all the conspiracy theories in world but just like JFK they are all dead. Nothing can bring them back. All you can do is try to prevent the next one. Just like Pearl Harbor, 9/11 this will happen again. It's the cycle of life. Wars equals prosperity(Cold War,Space Race,WW2), peace makes us create enemies(ex. Al Quada). It just the reality we live in today. All we can do is watch the beautiful surises and sunsets and look at some family guy. Because life is to short. :(
 
bigpapa400lb said:
You can write all the conspiracy theories in world but just like JFK they are all dead. Nothing can bring them back. All you can do is try to prevent the next one. Just like Pearl Harbor, 9/11 this will happen again. It's the cycle of life. Wars equals prosperity(Cold War,Space Race,WW2), peace makes us create enemies(ex. Al Quada). It just the reality we live in today. All we can do is watch the beautiful surises and sunsets and look at some family guy. Because life is to short. :(
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You are right, we can't change what has happened, and we probably can not prevent something like this from ever happening again. I am not one of the people who actually believe George Bush, Dick Cheney and a few key cabinet members masterminded 9/11, thats just rediculous. But I also don't believe it happened exactly as the commisions, and government paid investigations tell us either.

I believe that bush and co. just failed, they failed to act upon intelligence they had warning of the attacks, they failed the day of the attacks to quickly subvert all of them, they failed in policy up to this point, and they've failed in succesfully bringing those who committed these atrocities to justice. And they went on a spree of cover ups and confiscations to keep their hides out of hot water.

Our leaders should be held to the highest levels of accountability, if I didn't do my job correctly I'd get fired, and I only make a few thousand a year. But so far they've failed on so many levels, yet they seem to only get promoted with power, and re election. It just makes me sick.
 
The problem with any prewarning of attacks... is that they get flooded with such things all the time... most turn out to be nothing. It would take alot of resources to try and stop every phantom attack, and even then may not be successful.
 
Raziaar said:
The problem with any prewarning of attacks... is that they get flooded with such things all the time... most turn out to be nothing. It would take alot of resources to try and stop every phantom attack, and even then may not be successful.
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Dude, these warning were not vague, they were very precise, very clear and came time and time again from intelligence agencies across the globe.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...ing_signs:_specific_cases=foreignIntelligence

They came from Indonesia, Britain, Germany, Italy, Jordan, India, Argentina, Egypt, Morocco, Russia, Israel, France and even the Cayman Islands.

Germany even gave the US the names, telephone numbers and addresses of the hijackers.

Bin Laden himself issued warning after warning.

How many warnings did they need for goodness sake?

They failed miserably and totally to act on these warnings. Whether that implies they are directly or indirectly responsible depends on which way you cut it, but it does not alter the fact they failed. As such they are accountable for their failure and should be hauled before a hearing and asked one simple question.

“How on earth did you get it so wrong?”

Incidentally these are the same guys who’s intelligence failing let to the disastrous war in Iraq. Yet not one as been questioned, not one as been held accountable.

These failing have led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people and as such whether though simple oversight or blinding stupidly, they should be made to answer this one simple question.
 
What could they have done? Issued a tightened security all around?

The guys weren't carrying guns... they were just carrying boxcutters, which at the time were not illegal on a plane, and there were probably hundreds of innocents who had boxcutters with them, out of the millions who fly. They could of likely done what they intended to do without the boxcuters anyways, when there were no air marshal on the planes.

Would they have ordered no arabs allowed on planes? Well that wouldn't solve anything...

I'm just curious WHAT they could have done to stop the attacks if they didn't know all of the exact names and locations of the people who would commit the crimes. My belief is despite efforts, things would have still been carried out.

FYI. I didn't read that link yet. I'm off to bed. I'll read it when I wake.
 
What they could have done is not the point I am trying to put across. I could not even begin to imagine what they could have done, but it is beside the point. That being what they didn't do.

It is easy with hindsight to say they should have done this, that or what ever but the simple fact remains that they did none of it.

Again whether this was through simply overlooking it or stupidly we will probably never know, because as yet nobody as said why they missed all these warnings (or at least none I have seen).

I did say in an earlier post "maybe" they could have prevented it and it is as simple as that, maybe they could have, maybe they could not have. But the failure to acknowledge the very real threat is their failure and one they have to live with.

After all what is the point of having Intelligence agencies and Counter terrorist agencies if they are simply not going to act on very real and precise intelligence?

Let hope for everybody’s sake they have learnt from this and other failings, but somehow I very much doubt it.
 
If they overlooked it, I can almost guarantee it was done out of stupidity or mistake... why? Because our government isn't in the business of having itself attacked. An attack on the citizens is an attack on the government.

What I mean is... they wouldn't maliciously not do anything... accident or stupidity.
 
What I want to know is, how the hell did they get into the cockpit. Rofl that's a funny word cockpit. Me wonders if I spelt it right....hehehe

Anyway, shouldn't the pilot area be like...sealed off? Surely it can't be that hard to make it impregnable without explsoives, that alone would stop most air hijackings I would think.

Can it really be that hard?
 
Solaris said:
What I want to know is, how the hell did they get into the cockpit. Rofl that's a funny word cockpit. Me wonders if I spelt it right....hehehe

Anyway, shouldn't the pilot area be like...sealed off? Surely it can't be that hard to make it impregnable without explsoives, that alone would stop most air hijackings I would think.

Can it really be that hard?
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Cockpit is a word used for any small enclosed area.

Solaris... there were not really very many measures back then for security of the cockpit, since flight attendants went in and out of there all the time.
 
Raziaar, I'm not even suggesting it was done out of malice or in anyway to promote an attack on yourselves. This is the realm of the truth seekers, of whom I bitterly oppose.
It was simply missed, for what ever reason so it will and can be debated until somebody offers up a reason as to why, or until somebody is held accountable.
I truly believe that this mistake makes these people accountable. For whatever reason it was made, somebody, somewhere really messed up.
Everybody makes mistakes; most people learn from them or at least acknowledge them and offer an apology. Ever seen them apologies for their mistake?

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Originally Posted by Solaris
What I want to know is, how the hell did they get into the cockpit. Rofl that's a funny word cockpit. Me wonders if I spelt it right....hehehe

Anyway, shouldn't the pilot area be like...sealed off? Surely it can't be that hard to make it impregnable without explsoives, that alone would stop most air hijackings I would think.

Can it really be that hard?
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This is the realm of the truth seekers, of whom I bitterly oppose.
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they didnt think it was important enough to follow through (the intelligence about the al qaeda operatives) ...that's no real mystery ..Clinton did the same on similiar information ..and I'm sure Bush sr did before him (well no, he created the mess during his stint as head of the cia)

..they saw 9/11 as a golden opportunity to force the issue of iraq, nothing more nothing less
 
CptStern said:
..they saw 9/11 as a golden opportunity to force the issue of iraq, nothing more nothing less
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However that may be after it happened... they didn't use it before it happened 'oops, we didn't stop this', to start the issue in iraq. That's preposterous. Just as bad as any of those 9/11 conspiracy theories.
 
What I want to know is, how the hell did they get into the cockpit.
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They claimed to have bombs and wanted to land the planes safely for negotiations.
If the doors were locked, the pilots would have opened them in an effort to save lives.
No-one knew about the intention to crash into buildings until long afterwards.


Stern is correct, by the way. Planning for the Iraq war began in November of 2001. Not before 9/11 - as many conspiracy folks have claimed.
 
Yeah, the flight deck (it's politically incorrect to call it cockpit nowadays) wasn't secured, I remembered when I was young I was able to go there to have a chat with the pilots. That's not possible anymore ;(
 
CptStern said:
they didnt think it was important enough to follow through (the intelligence about the al qaeda operatives) ...that's no real mystery
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" It wasn't important enough", Holy cow! is that the only excuse they can offer up ? makes you kinda wonder what they think is important enough.

( Don't suppose you could put up a link for this excuse, ta)
 
of course not :)

no but the warnings were all there, they just ignored it because they had other more important things to think about ...like implementing their plan for Pax americana


see what I mean?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/index.htm

Condeleeza Rice, March 22, 2004: "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration." ...of course that was a big lie ..the memo is dated January 25, 2001, 8 months before 9/11
 
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