US releases 9/11 Pentagon video

[CptStern]

The US justice department has released the first video of the plane crashing into the Pentagon on 11 September 2001.

American Airlines Flight 77 slammed into the US military headquarters, killing 184 people, after it was hijacked as part of an al-Qaeda plot.

The release of the video, taken from a Pentagon security camera, comes after a Freedom of Information Act request by legal watchdog Judicial Watch.

The group said it hoped to dispel conspiracy theories about the crash.

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77," president Tom Fitton said.

the video is small (I cant make out jack) but I'm sure some of you will (over)analyse it to death

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

 

[koondrad]

Was part of this not already on the internet?

 

[CptStern]

are you just being an idiot because you can ..or does it just come naturally?

or better yet ..you havent a clue of what you're talking about do you ...the video of the plane hitting the pentagon was never released to the public ...but of course you knew that riiiiight?

 

[KagePrototype]

Won't even load for me.

 

[CptStern]

the bbc page or the video? sure you dont have a pop-up blocker app turned on? ..the bbc video opens in a new window

 

[SimonomiS]

Was part of this not already on the internet?

I think they released something like 2 frames of it prior to this.

 

[KagePrototype]

the bbc page or the video? sure you dont have a pop-up blocker app turned on? ..the bbc video opens in a new window

The video. I think it's just the WMP version though, I switched it to Real Player and it's fine now.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Can you see the headcrab missile?

 

[Pauly]

are you just being an idiot because you can ..or does it just come naturally?

or better yet ..you havent a clue of what you're talking about do you ...the video of the plane hitting the pentagon was never released to the public ...but of course you knew that riiiiight?

No hes right... there are 2 videos they released today... One of them has already been released in 2002 I believe but they only released 5 frames

here it is http://killtown.911review.org/video/flight77/pentagon_cctv.gif
(http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/news/pentagon_image_1.htm)

The full video of the one I posted was released today and another angle was released today as well-- you can view them at defenselink.mil in the freedom of info act section. Good luck- high traffic.

The other 84 camera angels will not be released sadly because the government says that the 84 tapes that they confiscated did not show the correct angel to see the plane and they wont release them.

 

[baxter]

All faked.

Or at least "enhanced" and "modified".

This is one of my favourite summarisation of the videos as they do the net circuit, absolute classic.

I didn't see jack myself so hey I got to take this guy seriously

source

 

[Feath]

are you just being an idiot because you can ..or does it just come naturally?

or better yet ..you havent a clue of what you're talking about do you ...the video of the plane hitting the pentagon was never released to the public ...but of course you knew that riiiiight?

Erm, the BBC guy even says that part of it was released before.

 

[gick]

Yeah, I can definently remember seeing a few frames of a plane going in waaaaay back in '01 or '02. Havent seen anything since though.

 

[clarky003]

It's the videos from the highway and the Sheraton hotel that people want

Edit: I thought it was already in the public domain therefore released to the public? fantastic video though.. 5 frames of something indistinguishable at high speed, skimming and missing the lawn, then striking the bottom floor. The only clear detail is that the object leaves a distinct white trail in the air.

 

[Jintor]

We know what happened, and we will prove it.

*takes out large magnifying glass*

 

[15357]

^lol


That was kinda hard to watch.

In less than a second we just watched 100+ people get incinerated.

 

[jimbo118]

hmm can't make out anything tbh :/

 

[Murray]

I can't honestly say I'm sure of what the truth is. Wether it was a plane or a cruise missile hitting the pentagon. All I've read so far is either not compelling or doesn't add upp to what the conspiracy theorists are claiming...

 

[VirusType2]

I can't honestly say I'm sure of what the truth is. Wether it was a plane or a cruise missile hitting the pentagon. All I've read so far is either not compelling or doesn't add upp to what the conspiracy theorists are claiming...

Here is the BBC video from the OP:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm


Some facts:
The Pentagon is the highest-capacity office building in the world and one of the world's largest buildings in terms of floor area.
Source

Image:

look at the size of the cars. They are little dots compared to the size of the artifact striking the pentagon. It looks like a large commercial airliner to me.

The Pentagon:
Parking space: 67 acres (270,000 m²)
Capacity (vehicles): 8,770
Height of building: 77 ft 3.5 in (24 m)


The Pentagon is 77 feet tall! A cruise missile is only about 2 feet tall. Whatever hit the building looked to be about 35 feet tall - roughly the height of a commercial airliner.

In the video released shown on the BBC site, it's nearly half the height of the pentagon. Much too large to be a missile. The tail height of a Boeing 707 commercial airliner is 42 ft 5 in (12.93 m)

Source


This is a cruise missile. This is tiny in comparison to a commercial airliner.

The Pentagon is heavily reinforced. Structurally designed to withstand an attack.

Picture of The Pentagon after flight 77 crashed, before the wall collapsed.

Then you have to ask yourself, "Why would we blow up our own defense department?" If it was really a trick, why not just say we shot it down before impact? Also, if it was faked, don't you think it would be more convincing video? It was an unexpected attack monitored by a security camera. Did anyone expect to see professional cameras set up, ready to witness something like this?

 

[Kyorisu]

Several things that annoy me.

Hotel camera, Fuel station camera, I-395 cameras. - No footage released.

Motorists on the I-395 surley would have felt a 747 flying at over 500MP/h fly directly over head. Car flipping madness that would be.

The evidence to say it wasn't a Jumbo jet isn't very good in my opinion either. All those who say there should be parts of the plane left are fools. The wings would have spread into the building, all that fuel would generate a lot of heat, destroying pretty much everything and anything remaining would not be recongizable.

 

[gick]

Now I havent read it all the way through, but from what I can tell this is a pretty comprehensive debunking of the Pentagon Conspiracy theory.

 

[clarky003]

The fact is, 757 or not, there are two other confiscated tapes that would of caught the whole thing which would positively confirm everything, the highway security camera and the Sheraton hotel CCTV.

edit: It is amazing threading a needle like that with a 757 over the lawn into the first floor, I mean my god thats some precision flying for a bloke who was having trouble handling a cessna.

 

[Feath]

The fact is, 757 or not, there are two other confiscated tapes that would of caught the whole thing which would positively confirm everything, the highway security camera and the Sheraton hotel CCTV.

edit: It is amazing threading a needle like that with a 757 over the lawn into the first floor, I mean my god thats some precision flying for a bloke who was having trouble handling a cessna.

For what I've read, he was having trouble controlling the plane, and actually bounced off the ground before he hit the building. It's not a case of skillfully flying a few feet off the ground, he actually hit the ground.

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

Motorists on the I-395 surley would have felt a 747 flying at over 500MP/h fly directly over head. Car flipping madness that would be.

The evidence to say it wasn't a Jumbo jet isn't very good in my opinion either. All those who say there should be parts of the plane left are fools. The wings would have spread into the building, all that fuel would generate a lot of heat, destroying pretty much everything and anything remaining would not be recongizable.

I don't think they would would have felt a 747 jumbo jet fly over them, since it was a 757, which is much smaller.

 

[VirusType2]

Now I havent read it all the way through, but from what I can tell this is a pretty comprehensive debunking of the Pentagon Conspiracy theory.

I read it all the way through.

This is much better than the facts I provided.

This proves without a doubt in my mind. There are photos of downed street lamp-posts, cars with damage, witness accounts who heard and saw the plane screaming past, photos of the exact aircraft parts in the crash site, etc. Full accountability for all the victims. (The people on the plane and the people in the pentagon were confirmed bodies in the crash site) Really, how could anyone read and view all these facts and have any doubt?

 

[baxter]

There is plenty of evidence to support the fact that Flight 77 went into the side of the Pentagon, whether a video shows this clearly or not.

There are photographs from outside the Pentagon.

One
Two
three
Four
Five
Six
Seven
Eight

There are photographs from inside the Pentagon.

Here

There are reports and in-depth analyses of these photographs from people who actually understand what they are talking about

Report one
Report Two.

Both Black boxes of Flight 77 where found at the site

I could go on and on, listing all the eye witnesses who saw the plane to the fact that fifty forensic scientist identified all but a few of the victims from flight 77 at the crash site.

But if people want to believe, that because they haven't seen a video of it, then something else must have happened, fine,feel free.

 

[clarky003]

For what I've read, he was having trouble controlling the plane, and actually bounced off the ground before he hit the building. It's not a case of skillfully flying a few feet off the ground, he actually hit the ground.

I heard that too, someone reported it bounced off the lawn.. but there are no impact marks short of the intial hole in the pentagon, it looked like a direct hit and the lack of marks on the ground seem to back that up.

The whole manouver boggles the mind, he banked 270 degrees and dropped 7000 feet in 2 minutes to come round the back of the pentagon, when he could of just flown straight into the main offices and done some real damage where the key personnel were. The manouver suggests (if indeed he was so amazingly skillful) that his intent was to fly around and hit the renovated section.

 

[dream431ca]

Hey stern, this is really old..it's been on the internet for years now...and you can't see anything hit the pentagon, you can only see a fireball.

 

[CptStern]

it's not old ..it was released yesterday

Video images of a hijacked airliner slamming into the Pentagon taken by two security cameras on Sept. 11 were released for the first time by the U.S. government on Tuesday.

The video, released by the government in conjunction with a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the Judicial Watch legal activist group, was a longer, more complete version of still-frame images that were leaked to the news media in 2002."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N16201681.htm

U.S. military officials released never-before seen videotape Tuesday of American Airlines Flight 77 slamming into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.

http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/MSN/world/national/2006/05/16/pentagon-911.html

The US justice department has released the first video of the plane crashing into the Pentagon on 11 September 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

 

[Glirk Dient]

I heard that too, someone reported it bounced off the lawn.. but there are no impact marks short of the intial hole in the pentagon, it looked like a direct hit and the lack of marks on the ground seem to back that up.

The whole manouver boggles the mind, he banked 270 degrees and dropped 7000 feet in 2 minutes to come round the back of the pentagon, when he could of just flown straight into the main offices and done some real damage where the key personnel were. The manouver suggests (if indeed he was so amazingly skillful) that his intent was to fly around and hit the renovated section.

So because he could have done more damage elsewhere and what he did required skill your saying it never happened?

Try using facts and hell...any information to back your claims up. Logical fallacies don't work.

 

[dream431ca]

it's not old ..it was released yesterday

If it's not old, why did I see it on TV and the internet 2 years ago? It was on a 9/11 documentray on TV.

 

[Maxi]

If it's not old, why did I see it on TV and the internet 2 years ago? It was on a 9/11 documentray on TV.

You saw the old one. THIS HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED.

 

[VirusType2]

If it's not old, why did I see it on TV and the internet 2 years ago? It was on a 9/11 documentray on TV.

What you saw must have been the four or five images released imediately following 9/11. This collection of images were easily animated by using a GIF format. This image format cycles through the number images repeatedly, to animate them.

Here it is. Notice the GIF extension.
http://killtown.911review.org/video/flight77/pentagon_cctv.gif

Watch it for a while. You can clearly see a huge plane smashing into the building. You can also see that the camera moves from the shockwave of the impact.


On Tuesday they released the entire video from immediately before to immediately after, when the smoke was bellowing out.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I heard that too, someone reported it bounced off the lawn.. but there are no impact marks short of the intial hole in the pentagon, it looked like a direct hit and the lack of marks on the ground seem to back that up.

The whole manouver boggles the mind, he banked 270 degrees and dropped 7000 feet in 2 minutes to come round the back of the pentagon, when he could of just flown straight into the main offices and done some real damage where the key personnel were. The manouver suggests (if indeed he was so amazingly skillful) that his intent was to fly around and hit the renovated section.

Clarky, I have already linked to 911myths.com in the past.
Please stop making the same claims over and over.

A professional pilot says that the 270 degree turn is a sign of an inexperienced pilot.
http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_path.html

Likewise, you are evidencing a HINDSIGHT BIAS.

How exactly would the terrorist in the plane know which specific side of the pentagon contained the most personnel on the given day and time of year?
Yeah, in retrospect he could have killed way more people. Therefore it was the Bush administration.

At the Columbine highschool shootings, the shooters "only" killed twelve people, despite being armed with several powerful bombs and a small arsenal of guns in an unarmed population of well over several hundred people.

So, do we conclude that they were paid by Bu$h to "pretend" to kill well under half as many as they "could have"? In an effort to, say, later crack down on violent media?
I hope not, because that's retarded.

You are conflating cause and effect. Terrorists attack a building and "only" kill 200 people.
So, with your perfect hindsight vision, you deduce that 200 was the exact intended number of casualties.
This is a logical fallacy, detailed in the Logical Fallacy Thread that you also should have read months ago.

By ignoring all these repeatedly stated rebuttals, I can only describe your (in)action as a blissful, willing ignorance.



Also, in addition to what Glirk said, where exactly is your source on there being "no impact marks"?

Keep in mind that you have also claimed that the Pentagon had missile launchers and a huge variety of other similar unsourced claims about 9/11 that have been rather thoroughly debunked.
Molten metal, demolitions, etc.

Along with this, the UFOs, the perpetual motion machines and the magic beams, I have to ask: are you just believing as many things as humanly possible, under the impression that eventually one will have to be right?

Drop the logical fallacies, please.

 

[dream431ca]

What you saw must have been the four or five images released imediately following 9/11. This collection of images were easily animated by using a GIF format. This image format cycles through the number images repeatedly, to animate them.

Here it is. Notice the GIF extension.
http://killtown.911review.org/video/flight77/pentagon_cctv.gif

Watch it for a while. You can clearly see a huge plane smashing into the building. You can also see that the camera moves from the shockwave of the impact.


On Tuesday they released the entire video from immediately before to immediately after, when the smoke was bellowing out.

Oh ok. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[JoeCLawrence]

My dad worked in the Navy Annex building right across from the side it was hit, and both heard and felt the plane and subsequent explosion. In fact he was supposed to be in a meeting in the Pentagon at the time it was hit (although he would have been on the other side of the building). I don't think he even came home at all that week, as everybody in the intelligence community was working 24/7 to find out what the hell was going on and what had happened. Scary times.

The video is short, and you can't really even tell much from it, but I think that it's quite clear its a plane. Though its not as if there wasn't enough evidence to say that anyway (or enough lack of evidence that it wasn't). Still, it won't shut theorists up. Nothing ever does.

 

[clarky003]

The origional case of events are just as conspirital as the other theory thats flying around. Come on people.. 19 hijackers with box cutters who hate american freedoms and society, manage to totally subvert and pull off such a difficult range of events seemingly without any interuption and then you went to war on a tape that didn't even have bin laden in it.

I'm sorry but it's my inclination that when there is a defence failiure at such a critical moment in the best defended airspace in the world on the day that just happened to coincide with 'war games' and then no reprimands for 5 years after with claims of no pre intelligence leading upto the event's, then the governments story becomes harder and harder to believe. You can believe them on the sole purpose that you can't fathom why anyone would want to self inflict wounds, because thats what it seems like to me, a lack of being able to understand why anyone would want to do that.

.. and it's not a logical fallacey when there isn't actually any hard evidence (the other video tapes) to 100% prove what happened there, you can't just assume and go on what people tell you. The other video footage needs to be released, you need hard evidence specifically pointing towards a 757, although im not saying there wasn't one, infact it may well of been but nothing astoundingly obvious confirms that.

edit: As for the flight path, mech use your brain.. he would of had to of know exactley where his target was to fly into it, its not like hes going to try and find it by looking out the window for a while, if he knew his targets location then why did he fly around it..? when a more direct flight path would of been the easier choice for an apparently unskilled pilot. This isn't about the manouvers which you say dont add any credance to the contradiciton of this mans abilities, it's the banking manouver combined with the precision line up to his target at the end.. making it seem determinate and preplanned. You do know how ****ing hard 757's are to fly accurately? just have a go at flight sim after playing with the cessna, drop 7000 feet, bank 270 degrees in 2 minutes .. and be lined up with the pentagon, stay low to the ground over the highway and miss mostof the lawn, my point is simply that it is not easy and if people believe a sketchy cessna pilot can pull all of that off in a large airliner then you need your head checking a bit if you believe it 100%.

 

[VirusType2]

The origional case of events are just as conspirital as the other theory thats flying around. Come on people.. 19 hijackers with box cutters who hate american freedoms and society, manage to totally subvert and pull off such a difficult range of events seemingly without any interuption and then you went to war on a tape that didn't even have bin laden in it.

I'm sorry but it's my inclination that when there is a defence failiure at such a critical moment in the best defended airspace in the world on the day that just happened to coincide with 'war games' and then no reprimands for 5 years after with claims of no pre intelligence leading upto the event's, then the governments story becomes harder and harder to believe. You can believe them on the sole purpose that you can't fathom why anyone would want to self inflict wounds, because thats what it seems like to me, a lack of being able to understand why anyone would want to do that.

.. and it's not a logical fallacey when there isn't actually any hard evidence (the other video tapes) to 100% prove what happened there, you can't just assume and go on what people tell you. The other video footage needs to be released, you need hard evidence specifically pointing towards a 757, although im not saying there wasn't one.

edit: As for the flight path, mech use your brain.. he would of had to of know exactley where his target was to fly into it, if he knew his targets location then why did he fly around it..? when a more direct flight path would of been the easier choice for an apparently unskilled pilot. This isn't about the manouvers which you say dont add any credance to the contradiciton of this mans abilities, it's the banking manouver combined with the precision line up to his target at the end, you do know how ****ing hard 757's are to fly accurately? just have a go at flight sim after playing with the cessna, drop 7000 feet, bank 270 degrees in 2 minutes .. and be lined up with the pentagon.

Man, he missed and turned around! I don't think it would be that hard to crash a ****ing plane into the ground! You make it seem like some amazing feat. I'm certain I could do it. I have a friend that is a commercial pilot, it's not hard for him, it's like driving a car, (which I can do drunk and high at 130MPH while half asleep and getting a blowjob.) The real pilot got them in the air(the hard part), they just killed the pilot and grabbed the controls once in the vicinity.


It's not ****ing hard to find these targets in Washington, DC and New York City in broad daylight, we have these huge unmistakable landmarks, like the largest building in the world - the pentagon, the tallest buildings in the world - the World trade center, both TARGETS OF THE ATTACK!


Just like Mech said, the facts are there. You sound retarded. THE FACTS ARE ALL IN THIS THREAD YET YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO READ THEM AND CLICK ON LINKS. You are brainwashed. There is nothing I can say that will convince you if 1,000,000's of FACTS don't.

I hope some aircraft carriers start landing in your front lawn. Would you expect there to be someone to doubt it? Would you say, "oh shit, someone might not believe this happened, I better take 1,000,000 photographs" Even if you did, they think you planted the evidence, or bribed some eye-witnesses to co-oberate. Etc., etc., etc. Omg, it just happened to be New years eve, it just happened to be the same day that Christ was born, omg the planes landed at exactly midnight! OR, HOLY SHIT, it must be all made up since this was the last lunar cycle.


Maybe you don't realize that what you are saying has no facts, its all speculation, and Mech already asked you nicely to put up(facts) or shut up. I am having trouble being so nice Clarky.

EDIT: maybe you didn't see this link from the thread. READ ALL OF IT:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

Heres another one:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

Read them please. I read them both entirely, and clicked on the links, and I never had any doubt in the first place. They prove beyond a reasonable doubt what really happened. They really go beyond that IMO. Justice is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!.


Honestly, USA doesn't have to prove anything. We aren't under question.

Our integrity is not under question except from a small minority of conspiracy theorists like yourselves.

 

[clarky003]

Well i dont really give a flying **** what you guys think anyway Mech was the one afterall who asked once what Iraq has to to with Afghanistan . from my point of view your brainwashed into believing the governments official story because your not even inclined to think that any of it is suspicious.. why there was no counteraction to these events, war game coincidences that prevented that, your merely citing everything that supports the government conspiracey theory and directing your anger towards Arab extremists when part of that should be expressed at the lack of counter reaction and use of pre intelligence. As I pointed out those facts don't provide any concrete evidence specific to a 757, now my point being is that the highway and Sheraton hotel videos would provide that evidence and if you read what I said im not denieing any of it, but yelling and shouting at me that im ignoring 'facts' won't get those videos released any faster.

 

[Raziaar]

Come on people.. 19 hijackers with box cutters who hate american freedoms and society, manage to totally subvert and pull off such a difficult range of events seemingly without any interuption

Why do you think that's such an impossible feat? Is it DIFFICULT for you to imigine hijackers able to hijack and coordinate these events?

Planes have been hijacked with less people before... it's not as difficult as it might seem when you watch action movies where the hero always saves the day. Bad guys often win in this world.

 

[clarky003]

It's the lack of counter reaction thereafter which is what boggles my mind, multiple hijackings, with no defense or response till it's far too late... and then the claim that it was a defense failiure but to contradict that claim.. there have been no reprimands to this day.