Hezbollah May Have Scuds Missiles

[Shyam]

These are allegations by the Israeli President, so please keep that in mind.

As far as my understanding goes, Hezbollah is a Shiite militia who are far more professional than Hamas ? (someone correct me on this). The fear is that now all of Israel's cities are now within the reach of Hezbollah.

I do not know how much of this is fear mongering.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8621405.stm

 

[15357]

It's SCUD, isn't it?

Also, how did they get their hands on them?

 

[Shyam]

It's SCUD, isn't it?

Also, how did they get their hands on them?

It is too. My bad.

Allegedly, Syria supplied it to Hezbollah.

Speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the issue, a senior US official recently told the BBC he believed Syria had sent new weaponry to Hezbollah.

He said it was more sophisticated than anything the group had had before but would not comment on the specific kind of missiles involved.

 

[Bob_Marley]

The Hezzies are much better at thier job than Hamas (after all, they're the only armed force that has ever inflicted military defeat on the IDF). Even so, SCUDs are one hell of a stretch. They're big, awkward, require specialized training and launch aparatus. They're also pretty inaccurate.

Even if they do have them, I doubt they'd pose much of a threat to Israel - if they havent got the launch vehicles it means they'll have to operate from fixed sites (and that will be much less easily achieved than with the rockets used in the past, take the Grad Rocket for example, it weighs in at 50-70kg depending on version, the SCUD-C, the one that Syria definetly has, on the other hand comes in at a rather hefty 6,400kg). They will take time to prepare, which leaves them sitting ducks. If they've got the mobile launchers (which again, would require yet more specialized training), well, I dare say driving about in a eight wheeled soviet era behemoth with a missile strapped to the top in southern Lebanon is tantamount to putting up a big sign saying "IAF please bomb here"

Using them isn't simply going to be a case of a couple of guys rolling up, sticking a few launch rails in the ground and firing off a couple rockets then buggering off before they can be countered.

The Hezzies are good, but they're not good enough to take the IDF in a stand up fight and they know it. Even if they have got SCUDs they wont be using them for a long time.

 

[Shyam]

The Hezzies are much better at thier job than Hamas (after all, they're the only armed force that has ever inflicted military defeat on the IDF). Even so, SCUDs are one hell of a stretch. They're big, awkward, require specialized training and launch aparatus. They're also pretty inaccurate.

That's right too, I forgot. And I doubt Hezbollah is going to sacrifice their mobility. So the U.S. and Israel must be bullshitting ?

So if new missile transactions have taken place, what do you think it might be ?

 

[Bob_Marley]

Its possible they have SCUDs, but as I said, I don't think they'll use them any time soon. Or they may be constructing camoflauged/underground launch sites so they can at least get one off before the position is bombed back to the stoneage. Who knows.

If I were in Hezbollah I'd be asking for more ATGMs and MANPADS - they're the tools that'll do the damage if the IDF go into lebanon again (along with the ubiquitous IED, of course). Having some MANPADS will also allow them to go after the drones that the Israelis are so fond of sending over southern Lebanon and if the Isrealis respond to that, might even put a dent in the IAF.

However, the missiles being talked about in this article and the others I've seen are big - they have to be to carry all the fuel needed to have that kind of range. If they do have them and if they use them there will need to be an awful lot of preperation before they do.

 

[15357]

Also, what are the point of SCUDs if they don't have chemical or nuclear warheads? I mean, ok, 700 ~ 1000kg of high explosives can do some damage, but unless they're planning on launching them by the shitload, I don't think they'll be too much of a threat. Israel has PAC-3s + radar, right?

 

[StarBob]

It's 1991 all over again! SCUD MISSLES!

 

[<RJMC>]

isreal may literaly destroy the whole country if hezbollah made a attack like that

but sure hezbollah wont care

 

[Sulkdodds]

What Bob said. SCUDs are bloody enormous, and therefore not as useful as they could be for guerilla warfare.

I feel that news agencies should refuse to report it when leaders of free countries make random proclamations about what new threat their designated enemy now supposedly has (see: WMDs). If you keep repeating their claims it'll only encourage them.

 

[CptStern]

scuds are awesome at causing heart attacks and hang nail injuries

Forty-two Scud missiles were fired by Iraq into Israel during the seven weeks of the [gulf] war.[66] Two Israeli civilians died from these attacks, and approximately 230 were injured. Of the reported injuries, 10 were considered moderate injuries, while one was considered a severe injury.[10] Several others suffered fatal heart attacks immediately following the missile strikes.

 

[Warped]

we should send in snake though just to make sure they're not making anything suspicious

 

[Sulkdodds]

A SCUD-C?!? What's a Russian missile doing here?

 

[Shyam]

A SCUD-C?!? What's a Russian missile doing here?

Damn Ruskies.

I feel that news agencies should refuse to report it when leaders of free countries make random proclamations about what new threat their designated enemy now supposedly has (see: WMDs). If you keep repeating their claims it'll only encourage them.

I suspect the Israelis are looking for round two of the 2006 fight. I suspect it left a bad taste in their mouth.

 

[Maestro]

A SCUD-C?!? What's a Russian missile doing here?

Because Russia supplied many Middle Eastern countries for decades prior to the USSR's collapse? They continue to supply many of those countries today, I believe.

 

[Bob_Marley]

A SCUD-C?!? What's a Russian missile doing here?

The Russians sold them to the Syrians who may or may not have given them to Hezbollah. The Russians didn't want them (the SCUD-C is the suckiest version of the already fairly sucky SCUD series. While it has the longest range, it is also the least accurate and carries the smallest warhead. It never even entered service with the Soviet forces). Also, its probably a North Korean missile, rather than a Russian one. If it is, it sucks significantly less, as the North Korean SCUD-C has a larger payload, longer range and is significantly more accurate than the Russian SCUD-C. The North Korean version is also manufatured in Syria.

 

[Uriel]

You can count on Israel being ready for an attack and to get revenge 10 fold a 100 times over. You learn a lot about other countries while in the military, and Israel has some nice military shit.

They gotta do what they gotta do to protect themselves.

 

[Shyam]

You can count on Israel being ready for an attack and to get revenge 10 fold a 100 times over. You learn a lot about other countries while in the military, and Israel has some nice military shit.

They gotta do what they gotta do to protect themselves.

By your estimation then in the 2006 war, Israel only inflicted a 12 times revenge casualty rate. Much lower when you take into account military casualties, only.

Then they should have in reality should have killed at least 163,000 Lebanese.

Maybe the Israelis can rectify that this time around.

 

[organizedcrime]

Hahaha, a Middle Eastern country might have (semi) dangerous weapons?

Where have I heard this before...

 

[GreatEmperor]

we should send in snake though just to make sure they're not making anything suspicious

We dont HAVE TIME MAN, snake wastes hundreds of hours on nonsensical cutscenes, we have to act NOW, or not give a hoot and ignore anything Israel claims