Why don't we just finish them off now? NKorea that is

[DEATHMASTER]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090224/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_missile;_ylt=Aub0vy6Ro66b2X27aC9yEUsPLBIF

Why not just eliminate these types of ****s, or at least their army and leadership. We already know how gay they are to their citizens, why let them gain more power?

 

[CptStern]

we tried off saddam and lok at the mess that brought about

 

[Eejit]

I saw your link. Decided not to visit it. Read a story from The Onion about N. Korea instead.

Anyone being gay to their citizens should definitely suffer from US regime change though. Ugh, gays.

 

[CptStern]

ya but for every korean who deserves to be WTFPWNED by the US military 1000 innocents are also killed


besides Numbers would probably sent to the front lines meaning there's a good chance he'll be killed (I'm thinking zerged and or bayoneted to death) ..and we dont want that to happen

 

[Eejit]

But their government is being gay to them! Better to die than have members of your government of the same sex coming on to you.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Exactly! I think that Saddam's BS was more like Bush's personal vendetta with his WMD crap. Here we see NK is clearly doing sh17 and we already know they hate and lie to us and the rest of the world.

 

[Solaris]

Problem is as I understand:

They have artillery lined up all along the border and would be able to kill millions of south koreans in hours in the event of war.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

coordinated strike, it must be a combined effort. SK alone would get raped to death in seconds. Their SCrap games won't save them.

 

[Escaep]

Meh. They probably just want Obama's attention.

 

[MJ12]

Then Ozzy here is gonna be the smartest man on the cinder



Clearly North Korea is just excited about next week's release of Watchmen, and they are just doing a little viral of their own.

 

[15357]

Heh.



I got my conscription papers in the mail yesterday. They want me to come along for a full physical so they can choose where to send me. It's still a couple of years away though.


Anyway, tensions seem to be growing heavily over here; not a day passes by without an article on the front page grimly telling us the signs of another attack being imminent, notably the changes in coastal artillery formations of NK. The North, as usual, seem to be determined in telling us that "the end of the puppets will be fiery and cruel". Of course, it's unlikely it will escalate to a full-scale war, but possibly some kind of border attack or commando strike, so the North can have more leverage in negotiations with my goverment.


Most Koreans realize that unification cannot happen until one side's system of goverment ceases to exist. The peace that we have so naively believed in was but a delusion, and we realized that when the North conducted a nuclear test.


I'm quite happy with living in relative peace, but I know the importance of reunification for our people. I realize that war is a horrible thing, but more importantly I realize that there some things more important than myself. There are times when we must fight so that democracy, freedom, and justice among nations might prevail, and so that our people may inherit peace. I believe that we must act in order to stop Kim Jong Il's despotism.

Besides, our military forces are quite strong. We even export weapons to other nations. RPG-7s and T-56s are no match for our tanks, even if they do outnumber us. Their artillery, while formidable, are vulnerable to air strikes, as our own air force can acheive complete air superiorty within a week.

Anyway, yes, I might die, but I'd still support an attack if it meant the end of the Kim dynasty and liberation of the oppressed.

Perhaps that's why I want to go to the Korea Military Academy, instead of other universities, against my parent's wishes. :/

 

[Warped]

Anyone hear about those 2 satellites that collided like 2 weeks ago?? And just yesterday a $200 million satellite crashed into the Oceans moments after liftoff. All this shit keeps crashing down to Earth, and they say it'll take 10,000 years for those 2 satellite debris to completely clear our orbit and crash into Earth which means every time you try to leave this planet your facing a small chance of hitting that debris. See a small connection between those crashes?? Also keep in mind Iran just launched their first orbiting Satellite and once these unaligned countries get a hold of this tech its WW3. the fog of war has been lifted.

just imagine playing red alert with everyone seeing each others actions

 

[DEATHMASTER]

air strike their asses!

 

[jet_porkins]

This picture always fascinated me.

http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~pesti/night/

It's always dark in North Korea.

 

[nurizeko]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090224/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_missile;_ylt=Aub0vy6Ro66b2X27aC9yEUsPLBIF

Why not just eliminate these types of ****s, or at least their army and leadership. We already know how gay they are to their citizens, why let them gain more power?

Same reason we seem to be doing nothing and letting Iran get nukes.



The first time I wish every day that Israel undertakes unilateral military action its so famous for because I know the west no longer has the balls to stick it to genuine threats, guess we only waste lives and money on wars that aren't important.


Edit: Oh, also as for NK, the problem is China might get pissy and we all know how China reacted the last time we were winning the Korean war and that close to putting the NK regime into the oblivion of history where it belongs.


Edit: Numbers, that's a good post man, nice to hear a South Korean speak up. I only hope that if NK ever tries anything, the British military, or even just the Navy steams to SK's support. Democratic states are as diverse as a diversity thing, but we should all stand together when defending freedom (lol americano-patriotic sounding?).

 

[DEATHMASTER]

As for China, well that was when they were still butt buddy super commie with them I don't think they'd care as much now.

 

[mortiz-Redux]

Heh.



I got my conscription papers in the mail yesterday. They want me to come along for a full physical so they can choose where to send me. It's still a couple of years away though.


Anyway, tensions seem to be growing heavily over here; not a day passes by without an article on the front page grimly telling us the signs of another attack being imminent, notably the changes in coastal artillery formations of NK. The North, as usual, seem to be determined in telling us that "the end of the puppets will be fiery and cruel". Of course, it's unlikely it will escalate to a full-scale war, but possibly some kind of border attack or commando strike, so the North can have more leverage in negotiations with my goverment.


Most Koreans realize that unification cannot happen until one side's system of goverment ceases to exist. The peace that we have so naively believed in was but a delusion, and we realized that when the North conducted a nuclear test.


I'm quite happy with living in relative peace, but I know the importance of reunification for our people. I realize that war is a horrible thing, but more importantly I realize that there some things more important than myself. There are times when we must fight so that democracy, freedom, and justice among nations might prevail, and so that our people may inherit peace. I believe that we must act in order to stop Kim Jong Il's despotism.

Besides, our military forces are quite strong. We even export weapons to other nations. RPG-7s and T-56s are no match for our tanks, even if they do outnumber us. Their artillery, while formidable, are vulnerable to air strikes, as our own air force can acheive complete air superiorty within a week.

Anyway, yes, I might die, but I'd still support an attack if it meant the end of the Kim dynasty and liberation of the oppressed.

Perhaps that's why I want to go to the Korea Military Academy, instead of other universities, against my parent's wishes. :/

I don't think NK will ever attack the south, why would they risk attacking another country and facing the possibility of losing a war? If they did that it could signal the end times for Kim Jong Il. Their best bet would be to sit tight and beat their chest a lot and hope they bluff everyone into leaving them alone to stamp on the NK populas' face. I suggest you pick up a copy of "Nineteen Eighty-Four" if you haven't read it already, what NK are doing is exactly the same as what the government in the book were, they're using SK as a way of distracting the populace from their REAL enemy, their own government. NK probably couldn't care less about SK as long as it stays the way it is, they're more concerned with keeping their own people in check.

 

[CptStern]

Same reason we seem to be doing nothing and letting Iran get nukes.

iran has nukes? source please

The first time I wish every day that Israel undertakes unilateral military action its so famous for because I know the west no longer has the balls to stick it to genuine threats, guess we only waste lives and money on wars that aren't important.

threats from whom? the terr'sts? the boogity man? maybe the west should just help israel eradicate every non israeli in gaza and surrounding nations so as to prevent the odd terr'st suicide bombing.

I got my conscription papers in the mail yesterday. They want me to come along for a full physical so they can choose where to send me. It's still a couple of years away though.

just tell them you're in love with your commanding officer and want to be posted near him

Anyway, tensions seem to be growing heavily over here; not a day passes by without an article on the front page grimly telling us the signs of another attack being imminent, notably the changes in coastal artillery formations of NK.

"Be ever vigilant citizen the communists are amongst you; watching, waiting, plotting a new communist utopia in YOUR VERY OWN BACKYARD! It is your duty to report suspicious behaviour in your neighbours friends and relatives. No one is to be trusted not even your mother. She too may have been corrupted by the sweet lies evil communists feed into unsuspecting minds. EVIL IS AFOOT"

The North, as usual, seem to be determined in telling us that "the end of the puppets will be fiery and cruel". Of course, it's unlikely it will escalate to a full-scale war, but possibly some kind of border attack or commando strike, so the North can have more leverage in negotiations with my goverment.


Most Koreans realize that unification cannot happen until one side's system of goverment ceases to exist. The peace that we have so naively believed in was but a delusion, and we realized that when the North conducted a nuclear test.


I'm quite happy with living in relative peace, but I know the importance of reunification for our people. I realize that war is a horrible thing, but more importantly I realize that there some things more important than myself. There are times when we must fight so that democracy, freedom, and justice among nations might prevail, and so that our people may inherit peace. I believe that we must act in order to stop Kim Jong Il's despotism.

Besides, our military forces are quite strong. We even export weapons to other nations. RPG-7s and T-56s are no match for our tanks, even if they do outnumber us. Their artillery, while formidable, are vulnerable to air strikes, as our own air force can acheive complete air superiorty within a week.

Anyway, yes, I might die, but I'd still support an attack if it meant the end of the Kim dynasty and liberation of the oppressed.

"the brainwashing in this one is strong obi-wan-kim-long-dong-jung. We have no choice ....afix the jumper cables to his testicles, we'll get a conversion out of him yet"

 

[nurizeko]

iran has nukes? source please

Not yet, but they are pretty intent on it.

threats from whom? the terr'sts? the boogity man? maybe the west should just help israel eradicate every non israeli in gaza and surrounding nations so as to prevent the odd terr'st suicide bombing.

No, the Iranian nukes.

I don't support bombing Gaza or Lebanon or any of that, but so far Israel is the only state I figure will be most likely to bomb any Iranian nuclear facilities should they get close to have a nuke.

Like I said, its doubtful any western nation at this point is going to do anything to stop them.

But that's just my opinion, as in mine, regardless of your omni-slash lazy comebacks.



You might not agree with what Numbers says but then you don't live within OHSHI- distance of a hostile neighbour who's human rights records and hostility are world famous.


Stern, don't you get bored of having nothing really to say?.


Really, how about trying to post for a month without quoting others.

 

[swan_song1973]

at this point in time, invading north korea would be a HUGE mistake. the us needs to become popular again before they even think about invading anywhere (and i hope it doesnt come to that).

 

[CptStern]

Not yet, but they are pretty intent on it.

OMG lets anniliate them!!! ..isreal has an estimated 200 nukes and are no strangers to striking first and letting chips fly where they may. obviously they need a regime change because they wont abide by our rules on nuke ownership. hell I'd even consider nuking that part of the world "just in case"

No, the Iranian nukes.

WHAT NUKES? they ones they're "pretty intent" on getting?

I don't support bombing Gaza or Lebanon or any of that, but so far Israel is the only state I figure will be most likely to bomb any Iranian nuclear facilities should they get close to have a nuke.

so by your logic Iran should bomb israel's nuke installations?

Like I said, its doubtful any western nation at this point is going to do anything to stop them.

stop them from what? who says the west are the only ones who can possess nuclear technology?

But that's just my opinion, as in mine, regardless of your omni-slash lazy comebacks.

opinions still need to be supported by fact otherwise it's meaningless drivel

You might not agree with what Numbers says but then you don't live within OHSHI- distance of a hostile neighbour who's human rights records and hostility are world famous.

and? this warrents the west getting involved in a land war just because the South koreans can get attacked "any day now". **** em! (sorry numbers) they created the situation, let them solve their problems Kim Long Dong ****face has NO designs on taking over canada or london or washington so why the hell should we get involved? why not help the sudanese or the people of the congo? why go after the petty despots who strut like menacing peacocks but not much else while ignoring the real madmen and tyrants who are in the process of killing their own people?

but why stop there? pakistan and india are rogue states with nukes who are accountable to no one over their possesion of nukes. they pose much more of a threat PLUS they have terr'sts. It seems much more prudent to turn them into a ****ing glass parking lot than it would iran. JUST IN CASE!

 

[Solaris]

so by your logic Iran should bomb israel's nuke installations?

No. Israel is a democratic and civilised country. Iran is ruled by theocratic despots who despise women. Iran is not a force for good in the world and so letting them make Nukes is not a good idea.

and? this warrents the west getting involved in a land war just because the South koreans can get attacked "any day now". **** em! (sorry numbers) they created the situation, let them solve their problems Kim Long Dong ****face has NO designs on taking over canada or london or washington so why the hell should we get involved? why not help the sudanese or the people of the congo? why go after the petty despots who strut like menacing peacocks but not much else while ignoring the real madmen and tyrants who are in the process of killing their own people?

but why stop there? pakistan and india are rogue states with nukes who are accountable to no one over their possesion of nukes. they pose much more of a threat PLUS they have terr'sts. It seems much more prudent to turn them into a ****ing glass parking lot than it would iran. JUST IN CASE!

Do you know about North Korea. It is run by complete maniacs; it's a horrible evil country. Have you heard about North Koreas concentration camps?

this remote town is home to Camp 22 - North Korea's largest concentration camp, where thousands of men, women and children accused of political crimes are held.
Now, it is claimed, it is also where thousands die each year and where prison guards stamp on the necks of babies born to prisoners to kill them.

 

[CptStern]

No. Israel is a democratic and civilised country. Iran is ruled by theocratic despots who despise women. Iran is not a force for good in the world and so letting them make Nukes is not a good idea.

who the hell are you to judge? when's the last time Iran invaded anybody? when's the last time Iran led other countries to a pointless war that led to the deaths of 10's of thousands of innocents? really you have so little forethought as to what an invasion of iran would do to the rest of the world. and for what? threats? the perception of a threat? did the last 6 years in iraq teach you nothing?

Do you know about North Korea. It is run by complete maniacs; it's a horrible evil country. Have you heard about North Koreas concentration camps?

hey look there's genocidal massacres in the congo

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/memphotoalbum/123089557358.htm

but god, NK is abusing people!!! lets step in by bombing them to living shit on the suspicion that they might possess WMD ..also for human rights!!! the people of [strike]Iraq[/strike] North korea deserve to be free of their oppressors!!!

 

[Solaris]

who the hell are you to judge? when's the last time Iran invaded anybody? when's the last time Iran led other countries to a pointless war that led to the deaths of 10's of thousands of innocents? really you have so little forethought as to what an invasion of iran would do to the rest of the world. and for what? threats? the perception of a threat? did the last 6 years in iraq teach you nothing?

Who am I too judge? Go tell the 13 rape victim stoned to death by the evil Mullahs in Iran that the people who run her country are not evil.

I think the foreign policy of the free world should be centred around spreading freedom. That means combating dictatorships and not allowing them to strengthen themselves by building Nuclear Weapons.

I don't accept your argument with regards to Iraq as I support the coalition in Iraq and believe Irans efforts to destabilise Iraq to be further reason to invade them.

hey look there's genocidal massacres in the congo

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/memphotoalbum/123089557358.htm

but god, NK is abusing people!!! lets step in by bombing them to living shit on the suspicion that they might possess WMD ..also for human rights!!! the people of [strike]Iraq[/strike] North korea deserve to be free of their oppressors!!!

I don't know what you hope to achieve by pointing to genocide elsewhere in the world.
I think if genocide occurs in a country we should stand up to our responceabilites as signatories to the genocide convention and invade them too.

Your line here: 'but god, NK is abusing people!!!' is disgraceful too. I didn't think you thought concentration camps; murder and torture of children and nation wide starvation because of the misrule of North Korea's leaders to be a trivial matter.

You may be able to dismiss such things as irrelevant propaganda but when I see such brutal and unforgivable treatment of my fellow human beings I want to see that stop. If we have the power to stop it, I believe we have an obligation too.

 

[CptStern]

Who am I too judge? Go tell the 13 rape victim stoned to death by the evil Mullahs in Iran that the people who run her country are not evil.

yet it's ok when an ally does the exact same thing ...except they're not evil. we cant be seen as being hypocritical can we?

I think the foreign policy of the free world should be centred around spreading freedom.

this just shows you have no understanding of what freedom means. you dont "spread freedom" with a gun. the right to SELF determination is what freedom is all about, not OUR concept of what it should. Anyways name one war that was truely about "spreading freedom" or even human rights

That means combating dictatorships and not allowing them to strengthen themselves by building Nuclear Weapons.

which means war, 10's of thousands of deaths simply on a suspicion of what they MIGHT do

I don't accept your argument with regards to Iraq as I support the coalition in Iraq and believe Irans efforts to destabilise Iraq to be further reason to invade them.

you are such a tool solaris. remember siding with the terrorists when they fired on a Coalition medivac helicoptor? you're easily manipulated

I don't know what you hope to achieve by pointing to genocide elsewhere in the world.
I think if genocide occurs in a country we should stand up to our responceabilites as signatories to the genocide convention and invade them too.

and yet here we are, hundreds of thousands of people dead and we have yet to lift a finger to help them ..yes it's our responsibility but wait some peacock is strutting and threatening our interests, lets humaitarian the shit out of them

Your line here: 'but god, NK is abusing people!!!' is disgraceful too. I didn't think you thought concentration camps; murder and torture of children and nation wide starvation because of the misrule of North Korea's leaders to be a trivial matter.

so what do you propose we the west should do about it? invasion? far far far more koreans will die in an invasion than they do in any concentration camp, it would literally take years for stability to take hold and even then what stops another despot from taking Kim's place? it'll happen in iraq, and it'll happen in afghanistan and it will be business as usual minus a few hundred thousand new grave markers to mark the occasion

If you only took the time to think scenarios through to their logical conclusion maybe then you wouldnt come up with suuch ridiculous and unfeasible plans of action

You may be able to dismiss such things as irrelevant propaganda but when I see such brutal and unforgivable treatment of my fellow human beings I want to see that stop. If we have the power to stop it, I believe we have an obligation too.

yet the killing of people by minor despots and warlords continues unchecked ..but hey lets start a war with NK instead. They MIGHT be a threat to the rest of us

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Did you read the article? They're test firing missles, its only a matter of time till they succeed. You're saying lets just sit here and let them do as they please? As soon as they think they're capable, they'll do something. Kill the fire before it spreads.

 

[Officer Combine]

Did you read the article? They're test firing missles, its only a matter of time till they succeed. You're saying lets just sit here and let them do as they please? As soon as they think they're capable, they'll do something. Kill the fire before it spreads.

At most I think that would culminate into another cold war. Not even the Soviet Union dared to start the Tic-Tac-Toe game called Nuclear War.

 

[Solaris]

At most I think that would culminate into another cold war. Not even the Soviet Union dared to start the Tic-Tac-Toe game called Nuclear War.

It wasn't ruled by people as insane as Kin Jong hong kong

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Also they aren't Nuclear yet, that's why I said before the fire spreads.

 

[Barnz]

Did you read the article? They're test firing missles, its only a matter of time till they succeed. You're saying lets just sit here and let them do as they please? As soon as they think they're capable, they'll do something. Kill the fire before it spreads.

Shit, they're going to nuke USA!

 

[Eejit]

I don't know what you hope to achieve by pointing to genocide elsewhere in the world.

I think he was trying to demonstrate how easily manipulated are by media. You want to go after the countries they point out to you without wondering why they choose these particular nations as being an axis of evil.

It wasn't ruled by people as insane as Kin Jong hong kong

Stalin, ya muppet.

I think if genocide occurs in a country we should stand up to our responceabilites as signatories to the genocide convention and invade them too.

War is the answer! Hell yeah!!

Also they aren't Nuclear yet, that's why I said before the fire spreads.

Or indeed before the fire even starts.

 

[15357]

Yeesh.

As far as I'm concerned, this world would be a much, much better place without Kim Jong Il, and I'm prepared to take my part in making it so.

"War is a horrible thing, but not the horriblest of things; the decayed moral and patriotic feeling that nothing is worth a war, is worse."

 

[Eejit]

A war just to take out Kim Jong Il would be a massive waste of lives. He's an old man with diabetes and had a stroke last year. There would be less death just waiting for him to croak than invading his country.
He has such a massive cult of personality going on that he won't be easy for his regime to replace.

 

[15357]

He's already stated that one of his sons will take over the country when he is gone. A younger Kim Jong Il doesn't really give me any solace.


Besides, Germany got over Hitler fairly quickly, what with de-nazification and all.





Unification is actually the more important reason to us, btw. I'm pretty certain that we could (with US help) pulverize the NK puppet regime within months.

 

[Eejit]

Aye that's his plan, I wonder what the other senior politicians and army leaders really think about that.

Yes, Germany did get over Hitler. They lost 10% of their population during WW2 of course. Also nice Godwinning.

 

[CptStern]

Did you read the article? They're test firing missles, its only a matter of time till they succeed. You're saying lets just sit here and let them do as they please? As soon as they think they're capable, they'll do something. Kill the fire before it spreads.

where have we heard that before?


"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

George Bush, March 17, 2003


There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks


"I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now."

Colin Powell


But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.

Ari Fleischer


"If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct."

Colin Powell



and the inevitable smoke and mirrors trick:

"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."

Paul Wolfowitz








"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

George W Bush, 5/24/05





as to the issue of wether the west should intervene in NK because of nukes yet turns a blind eye to other nations::

Following the ?See No Evil? precept, The United States throughout the 1990?s and the first four years of the 21st Century, in the face of damnable evidence provided by CIA and other agencies around the world closed its eyes to nuclear proliferation. It first closed its eyes to China?s nuclear weapons and nuclear-capable missiles proliferation to Pakistan. It later closed its eyes to Pakistan?s nuclear weapons proliferation to North Korea which continued for at least four years after General Musharraf came into power and till two years after 9/11 when USA beatified the Pakistani military dictator as the ?Great Crusader? against terrorism.

http://www.boloji.com/plainspeak/053.htm

 

[Solaris]

I think he was trying to demonstrate how easily manipulated are by media. You want to go after the countries they point out to you without wondering why they choose these particular nations as being an axis of evil.

The topic on hand is North Korea.
I want to go after all countries where the people are slaves rather than citizens. Starting with the ones that are the greatest threat to our way of life (ie: A refuge for IslamoFacist terrorists; ruled by nutters trying to get nuclear weapons...)

Stalin, ya muppet.

I don't think Stalin was as bad as Kim Jong.

War is the answer! Hell yeah!!

I'd like to quote from Primo Levi's account of surviving Auschwitz, in his book 'If this is a man':

They were four young soldiers on horseback, who advanced along the road that marked the limits of the camp, cautiously holding their sten-guns. When they reached the barbed wire, they stopped to look, exchanging a few timid words, and throwing strangely embarrassed glances at the sprawling bodies, at the battered huts and at us few still alive
.....
They did not greet us, nor did they smile; they seemed oppressed not only by compassion but by a confused restraint, which sealed their lips and bound their eyes to the funeral scene. It was a shame we knew so well, the shame the Germans did not know, that the just man experiences at another man's crime; that feeling of guilt that such a crime should exist, that it should have been introduced irrevocably into the world of things that exist, and that his will for good should have proved too weak or null, and should not have availed in defence.

 

[CptStern]

I don't think Stalin was as bad as Kim Jong.

have you lost your senses man? no really you should be banned from the politics forum for that statement. You have no place debating this or any other topic if you truely believe that to be true. damn you couldnt possibly be more wrong

 

[Tagaziel]

For that statement, I want to rip off both of his balls and transplant them in the place of his eyes, then stab them repeatedly with a very fine needle.

 

[Eejit]

Like Stern says, the USA and UK are the countries who cried wolf about Iraq being a dangerous rogue state with the means and will to use WMDs on anyone and everyone. Now we're supposed to believe them about Iran and North Korea?

Though who are we arguing against now? Numbers who wants NK invaded simply for nationalist pride? Nuri who thinks regime change is the infallible solution to every problem? (And Solaris who thinks Kim is worse than Stalin -.-)

Uh, right. We're definitely gonna get through to those open-minded reasonable people.